Colorado - 2020-2024 Big Game Season Structure Proposals

cnelk

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Interesting - read more here


http://cpw.state.co.us/Documents/Commission/2018/May/Item_22-2020-2024_Big_Game_Season_Structure-May2018.pdf




2020-2024 Big Game Season Structure Proposals Public Outreach and Involvement. Over the years, the Commission and staff have used a variety of methods to inform interested publics about BGSS and to gather input on key issues. These activities have included media outreach, public meetings, targeted stakeholder briefings, quantitative surveys, telephone town halls and focus groups. The breadth of outreach efforts has generally been driven by the scope of each planning process. With the high level of hunter satisfaction heard during the past two season structure processes, CPW proposes a moderate level of public involvement for 2020-2024 BGSS with a narrowly focused list of discussion topics. Under this approach, harvest survey data could be consulted without including a Big Game Attitudes survey. The number of in-person meetings could also be reduced from one per area, to one west slope and one east slope meeting, supplemented by telephone town halls and a public online event. Media outreach and targeted stakeholder meetings would continue to be utilized. Topics. Potential discussion topics that arose since the last season structure, amongst both staff and members of the public include:


 The overlap and timing of the archery and muzzleloader deer and elk seasons.


 Timing and length of pronghorn and moose seasons.


 Converting over-the-counter (OTC) either-sex (ES) archery elk licenses to bull only licenses in some units of the state.


 Youth hunting opportunities and participation.




Based on the proposed moderate level of public involvement, topics such as license allocation, preference points, and lion hunting should potentially be avoided. With a statewide mountain lion management plan on the horizon and new pay-after-you draw regulations in place, additional time is necessary to fully-evaluate the effects and outcomes of these efforts before additional changes are implemented. Bighorn sheep and mountain goat hunting have also traditionally not been addressed during this process. Completely limited elk units will continue to be handled through a citizen-initiated proposal process, concurrent with the BGSS process.
 
Interesting...I certainly don't love the idea of getting rid of either sex OTC tags for archery.
 
cohunter14 said:
Interesting...I certainly don't love the idea of getting rid of either sex OTC tags for archery.

What if they included spike bulls on the "Bull only" tag?
 
LongRanger said:
cohunter14 said:
Interesting...I certainly don't love the idea of getting rid of either sex OTC tags for archery.

What if they included spike bulls on the "Bull only" tag?

Honestly I?d dislike that even more. Not only are you not allowing the bulls to age a bit, but the bull to cow ratio would get even worse that way.
 
The DOW back in the late 90s moved away from harvesting spikes in general seasons.
No way will that be reversed
 
cohunter14 said:
LongRanger said:
cohunter14 said:
Interesting...I certainly don't love the idea of getting rid of either sex OTC tags for archery.

What if they included spike bulls on the "Bull only" tag?

Honestly I’d dislike that even more. Not only are you not allowing the bulls to age a bit, but the bull to cow ratio would get even worse that way.

It wouldn't bother me either way as long as I'm hunting, besides a lot of units offer cow only archery tags so with the 2 tags you have your either sex. I would like them to offer a cow/spike tag limited quota for certain units, maybe as a youth license? I just find it funny that in the premium units you can shoot spikes, who in their right mind would shoot a spike after waiting 20+ years.
 
 Timing and length of pronghorn and moose seasons.

[A late season Pronghorn even for a doe would be a nice addition to a non-residents elk hunt.


[]Any additional increase to harvest success for moose is gladly welcomed. 

 Converting over-the-counter (OTC) either-sex (ES) archery elk licenses to bull only licenses in some units of the state.
This topic seems to expose their call for "moderate" discussion:) As the above posts mention, this OTC Archery tag provides security for harvest success?seems every hunter favors this value; unless they fill their value system by watching the failure of others.  As we know, some men make their livelihoods from doing so and are congruent with their methodology by taking delight in the failure of others?I like to graciously think of them as cottonheads, but that's a tangent. 

If Management is trying to pad their revenue potential by making a new tag as well as satisfying the harvest rate; they need to :thewave: Lead-Up and provide clarity to their reasoning with this change.  Seeking more income on the back of archery hunters who use that tag to justify making that difficult-hunt is un-helpful and potentially designates wrong management stewardship.  If the harvest stats during this OTC archery season are expending undue pressure on the herd; then maybe this potential-change is the best option for this policy cycle.  Whatever the source motivator for this topic, Management should clearly communicate what objective and reasoning they have for this potential change.
 Youth hunting opportunities and participation.
Yes!  How about Hunter of a Friend who has kids, but doesn't hunt tag  Seriously though, my friend doesn't currently hunt, but he and his son are learning about hunting and wants to go hunt.  Having a special tag or draw for Party Hunts for the sake of helping Families get a harvest is a great policy.  With qualification that herd numbers warrant creating additional hunts.

Creating additional tags/hunts at the expense of an already highly conditionally-gamed system is not agreeable; nor is it preferable to a system which seeks to maintain a management balance involving Economy & Harvest Success. Non-resident tag, preference points, and all conditions should prioritize herd quality and health then prioritize those who have been paying/supporting the management system.  Whatever new change is proposed, it should focus on creating abundance and prioritizing harvest success across all units and seasons.
Leveraging tags to increase funds is a "scarcity" driven process.  You don't need to make money doing it that way... State your Values?State Your Objective?State Your Method to Align with those Core Focuses.  If your eyes are on the Solution you'll determine if the potential change warrants application. All these topics are so vague :rtfm: gotta love the outdated practice to tip toe around underlying objectives. :help2: Testing the waters for slumbering sheeples and the dosage of dependency that attempts to lead our great democracy.  Of course decision makers are informed and understand hunter values.  Those values are there because hunters shared their process and inform them of what it takes to successfully harvest.  We also do their stat data generation work?let us know the details please. No need to hide behind a translucent glass wall of authority. How about we Share in Success driven policies rather than trying to make conditions harder and/or more stressful for those who actually pay to support the system. 

You don't need to game the shoot-out-of this system.  Share your herd management insights based on our OTC Archery inputs and we'll support the cause which supports herd health, quality, and our ability to harvest with high success potential. Geez, aren't we already conditioned-out in our Country?  Let's avoid the conditional-cancer that shifts the focus from our mutually-expansive-shared-values. Potential and actual change doesn't need to warrant "moderate" input.  Share the stats we already share the mission. 
 
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