Drugs (Medicines)

Deertick

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Well, the \"What did you do today?\" thread brought up some points about medication brought along while in the backcountry. I thought I\'d share my perspective.

1. Aspirin. This should be with everyone. Fully a third of ALL deaths in North America are related to coronary artery disease. That\'s even more true in the woods. Aspirin, given within the first 3 hours of a heart attack, can reduce the death rate of the event by half. Take a single 325mg pill, chew it and swallow it. Other doses have been looked at, but this is safe for almost* anyone. Someone mentioned Nitroglycerin in the other thread. Keep in mind that Nitro treats pain, but does not reduce the chance of death, and does not alter the course of a heart attack.

2. Your home medications. Seems dumb to say it, but if you take medicines at home, keep taking them in the woods. Stopping prescription medications can cause all kinds of trouble. I\'ve had patients do this, and then have to cancel their trip 3 days into it due to withdrawal symptoms. I take my BP med, my inhaler, and some prednisone to treat asthma if I get in trouble like I did last year.

3. Pain relievers. It\'s nice to have prescription pain meds (opiates like Percocet) but are they really necessary? If you need Percocet, your trip is shot anyway, so go see a real doctor and quit treating yourself. I generally do take a few, but they are for those times when I might be stuck in camp with an injury. But do take something ... Aspirin pulls double-duty here and is an obvious choice, but you might choose Ibuprofen, Aleve, or Tylenol depending on how they\'ve worked for you before and what other medical problems you might have.

4. Antibiotics. Nice to have, but again, if you need antibiotics, your trip is basically over, anyway. If you\'re going to be on a drop camp in Alaska, that\'s different.

5. Anti-diarrhea meds. Now we\'re talking. Most bouts of diarrhea last only a day or so, and they are quite annoying when you are in the woods. Immodium comes along with me. I\'ve learned my lesson.

6. Anti-biotic ointment. There\'s not a lot of evidence that these really help all that much, but they do come in handy little containers, and the grease they come in is good for open abrasions, etc.

7. Sun-screen. Yep, I\'d count that as a medicine, and it may be reasonable while camping or traveling in the woods. Lousy for hunting elk, though.

8. Epi-pen. I don\'t take one, generally, but I can\'t fault those who do. Actually, I do usually have one in \"base-camp\" situations where there are larger gatherings (not hunting). Large groups have all kinds of things happen.

9. Albuterol. A simple asthma inhaler can be a lifesaver ... I\'ve come across folks in the woods who have asthma and left their inhalers at home, and they\'re very happy to share mine. If you have asthma, you know what I mean.

10. Benadryl. Allergic reactions occur. Last time I used Benadryl was last summer when my dog got bit by a bug that was trying to get some private time under a dead log. Her face swelled up about twice the size of normal, and 13 miles from the pickup, we didn\'t have much else to do. Benadryl works. It also sedates, and can be a good sleep aid. Sometimes that\'s just what the doctor ordered, too, eh?

11. Wine. While there is conflicting evidence on whether wine reduces heart attacks and strokes, I figure: Why take chances? I try to make sure I enjoy some on most days of the week, and wouldn\'t want to stop that just because I\'m camping.

12. What am I forgetting? Brad, wasn\'t there a thread on another forum about a \"medicine\" you can get in Colorado? I can\'t remember what they were talking about. Seriously, I must be forgetting something, but I think if you have these in your kit, you\'re doing well.
 
Good thread Derek....
I take some antiseptic wipes too for small wound cleaning.
Also.....if I spike camp, a wine bottle won\'t make that trip. Too much weight. Fireball whiskey in a flask (purely for medicinal purposes and more wound cleaning) is another story. :lol:
 
i would just add, for goodness sake, on the aspirin, make sure its not a enteric coated aspirin and you dont chew it.
last year i cut myself to the bone on my knuckle and had to go to town to by some hydrogen peroxide. shoulda had some with me. i also used, NOT RECOMMENDING, super glue AFTER i cleaned out the cut and put antibiotic ointment on it. i had some stuff in my first aid kit but had left it in the truck.
i also carry around quik clot.
 
\"Olympushunt\" said:
a wine bottle won\'t make that trip. Too much weight.

1 bottle? That\'s not enough. Remove the bag of wine from boxed wine and you get a baggie with 4 bottles! Toss it in the shade and it stays the perfect temperature in the mountains.
\"bnsafe\" said:
NOT RECOMMENDING, super glue .

Is there a reason you don\'t recommend super glue? I kind of like the stuff for minor cuts, but let me know. Different epoxys might not be the best, I guess. Sure are convenient.
 
nope, it worked great for me. i just cant recommend anything as a nurse. i can get in major trouble over telling someone to take a tylenol.
 
The \'stuff\' Deertick mentioned that is now legal in CO (and OR) I\'m sure can be prescribed if you need it ;)

I have had to take pain meds for a multitude of reasons, and the best OTC combo I use is Aleve w/ Tylenol Arthritis.
This is for some major pain tho and works for several hours.
Not sure why this combo is so effective?

John?
 
Good stuff Tick! I have most of what you mentioned, except pain killers. That stuff makes me sick. :sick:

I too refill my prednisone every year for hunting. Although my asthma has been under control for many years, prednisone is great for other inflammation(plugged sinuses or severe allergies).
 
\"cnelk\" said:
Not sure why this combo is so effective?

John?

Tylenol is simply a pain reliever ... an analgesic ... and Aleve is an anti-inflammatory with some analgesic properties. Both will help relieve fever, too. They work in different ways to reduce pain, and some people think their properties are additive.

I think people discount how effective over-the-counter pain relievers are. Everyone thinks they need Percocet or Vicodin, it seems. Heck, have you ever taken Aspirin for pain? It sure works for me. It\'s a wonder-drug as far as I\'m concerned.

Like Bnsafe, I hesitate to suggest, counsel, or otherwise influence other people\'s medical decisions on-line. Thank the trial lawyers for that. I\'m not here to say \"Do this\" or \"Do that\", but to only to 1) tell you what I do, and 2) provide some very general information.

Although it sounds like a disclaimer (and it is), you should talk to a physician about your medical concerns before doing anything and you should never take medical advice from someone online without consulting your own professional. For instance, I\'ve received questions like \"Should I take Diamox to prevent altitude sickness?\" and \"What malaria prevention should I use in Africa?\" online.

There are just too many personal variables to be able to answer those questions safely. But I will say that treatments for altitude sickness and malaria prevention do exist, and you\'d be crazy not to consider them if you are at risk.

As tempting as it is to say \"Call me for an epi-pen prescription\", I won\'t do that, for legal, medical, and ethical reasons.
 
great info tick, and we do appreciate the guidance. in my nursing career i get alot of that. folks just dont know the right questions to ask. or they are fine with going to a doc to get something if they know they arent wasting there time and money. so know we do appreciate it.
 
good stuff.

i have a friend that pack magnesium and potassium pills. swears it prevents cramps. he pounds them. i pass, i know they will speedbag my kidneys. :)

aspirin..check!! i do take aleve. i have some heavy dose pills i was given for gout attacks, but those days are behind me. one of those and all pain is GONE! but i dont like taking pills. nice to have as a backup.
 
\"cnelk\" said:
I gotta ask a question:

What is epi-pen? [Yes, I really dont know]

They are little injectable devices for major allergic reactions. I have carried one around for bee stings since I am similar to JF in that I swell up pretty quick.
 
\"cnelk\" said:
What is epi-pen? [Yes, I really dont know]

\"Epi\" is for epinephrine ... a.k.a. adrenaline. Used for severe allergies -- like the kind that kill you if you don\'t treat them ... obviously rare, but kind of a deal-killer if you get one ... literally. Think about people with major peanut allergies, or people who almost died the last time they got stung by a bee. Those folks want \"epi\" now.

Have you seen \"Pulp Fiction\"? There\'s a fairly dramatic interpretation of what an adrenaline shot looks like in that.
 
I\'m no doctor but had a lot of practice being a patient. 2 elbow reconstructions, 2 knee replacements and had some kind of surgery for sleep apnea that resulted in a bunch of stitches in the back of my throat and roof of my mouth. I think I have bottles of every pain killer ever made. My drug of choice 800 ibuprofen!
 
Tums or Rolaids - This has helped some people for the effects of high altitude by taking tums or rolaids before their trip and during. Of course, staying hydrated is the ultimate \"medicine\' for high altitude.

Zheng Gu Shui (literal translation: ?rectify bones liquid?) - I call it Chinese snake oil which isn\'t PC. Applied using a cotton ball. The stuff has helped my knees and bow shoulder (torn shoulder tendons) more than anything I have ever tried. Yeah, it stinks. I apply it at night and I am good to go the next day. If concerned about scent, next morning, wipe the applied area with an unscented baby wipe. I got tried of frequent inflammation and this stuff works. I do not like taking ibuprofen daily.
http://www.amazon.com/Zheng-Shui-Ex...1-1&keywords=Zheng+Gu+Shui+External+Analgesic

2nd best is Tiger Balm, but Zheng Gu Shui is so much better.
 
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