ELKMTNGEAR.. compound bow, no sights, no release!!

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elky McElkerson

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saw that you mentioned this in another thread. this is awesome and deserves it\'s own thread.

tell us about it.

you buy a bow and you\'re almost done? you buy a rest? dropaway? then you are done?
you must need a shooting glove right? anything different that needs to be done to the centerserving? what is your draw weight?
how about bow tuning it? set centershot and go?

i ask because i am fascinated with that Tim Wells guy on RELENTLESS PURSUIT. he shoots like this. but he never talks about it. you just see him shooting with the bow all canted over like a TRAD bow. that man can shoot lights out!! at big ranges too!! and i cant stand that guys show!! i just want to watch him shoot.

what is your max range? if i could ever tip over a bunch of animals, i want to try it. my current configuration of every \"bell and whistle\" isnt making the task any easier for me..i need to succeed in something before any changes.
 
\"elky McElkerson\" said:
saw that you mentioned this in another thread. this is awesome and deserves it\'s own thread.

tell us about it.

you buy a bow and you\'re almost done? you buy a rest? dropaway? then you are done?
you must need a shooting glove right? anything different that needs to be done to the centerserving? what is your draw weight?
how about bow tuning it? set centershot and go?

i ask because i am fascinated with that Tim Wells guy on RELENTLESS PURSUIT. he shoots like this. but he never talks about it. you just see him shooting with the bow all canted over like a TRAD bow. that man can shoot lights out!! at big ranges too!! and i cant stand that guys show!! i just want to watch him shoot.

what is your max range? if i could ever tip over a bunch of animals, i want to try it. my current configuration of every \"bell and whistle\" isnt making the task any easier for me..i need to succeed in something before any changes.
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Thanks Cliff.

Been shooting that way my whole life (since I was like 6 years old I guess). Started with the little yellow fiberglass recurve, moved up to a laminated recurve, then bought my first compound when I was about 14 I guess.

You\'re right...buy the bow, bolt on a whisker bisquit...put a nocking point on the string, and you are done. :upthumb: I shoot with a finger tab with two fingers split above and below the nocking point.

I believe I shoot truly instinctive, because I do not use the tip of the arrow as a point of reference (Whisker Bisquit conceals than anyway). I just focus hard on the spot I want the arrow to go, and try to make a smooth release. Judging the visual distance and arrow drop becomes somewhat second nature when you shoot a lot. And I do have to shoot a lot to be accurate! Here\'s the first shot I took with a broadhead last Season, 55 yds downhill. I\'m no Tim Wells, but accurate enough!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-nzwbwOKKA

I do have to shoot a lot to be consistent. My longest kill was just over 60 yds in my estimation, a heart shot on a smallish muley buck. That was many years ago, I would not take that shot broadside these days, even on elk. I think I\'m pretty effective on elk out to 50 yards; on deer, maybe 40. My longest elk kill was a cow, broadside, at 45 yds, about four years ago. Most of my elk have been killed at 20 yards or less.

Most important thing is to have a consistent anchor point, and a smooth release for me. The rest of it just \"falls into place\" the more I shoot. :)

I hope some other trad or instinctive guys will chime in here as well.
 
Using the arrow tip for reference is called Gap Shooting.

You shoot very well for not having sights or release.

I do have a question for you tho.
Do you \'cant \' your compound or hold it more vertical?

I shoot recurve instinctive, with a slight cant and have found that has made me a better shot with my compound, with sights and a vertical hold.

I do have to use a release with all my bows due to my recent hand injury tho
 
Brad, once I get to my anchor point, I relax my hand on the riser so the tension of the string is holding it in the crook of my hand and thumb...I don\'t grip the bow. I think the way my front hand is positioned causes the bow to be basically vertical ??? :think:

At least, I do not consciously cant the bow.
 
Lou told me not long ago the natural cant of a recurve should be the same angle of your hand as when you point at something with your index finger.

I know, you\'re pointing at something right now ;)

But after doing so, you see that your hand is actually tilted.

This is why for those that use sights the level bubble is important
 
\"cnelk\" said:
Lou told me not long ago the natural cant of a recurve should be the same angle of your hand as when you point at something with your index finger.

I know, you\'re pointing at something right now ;)

But after doing so, you see that your hand is actually tilted.

This is why for those that use sights the level bubble is important
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Yeah you are probably right.. there may be a slight cant. I just never paid attention :eh:

In fact, I just looked at the video I posted above and it looks like the bow was canted a little :oops:
 
\"elky McElkerson\" said:
how much draw weight can a person hold with three fingers?
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A lot. I shot a 70 pound bow with 35 percent letoff like that for years. I shoot 65 now, and easily pull it with two ;)
 
Remember the Fitzjeralds? The older guy and his son. They both shot the same way Jeff does and they were pretty it as well.

Good shooting Jeff :upthumb:
 
Some here are probably in the dark with the video of Jeff\'s shot. Listen closely right after he says \"let\'s see if we can get it in the pic....ok....\"

Something came from his south side that. Sounded like he stepped on a frog! :clap:

That\'s a classic shot as well as a very entertaining video. He giggles a little when he broke wind. :lol:
 
Leave it up to Buglemaster to pick up on something like that. :lol: I thought he told me he was hard hearing. Must of had those aids really cranked up.

Just goes to show you can\'t slip anything by (or out :eek: ) around this place! :lol:
 
That\'s awesome, Elkmtngear! There are not many of us barebow shooters. I can\'t pull enough draw weight to hunt with a traditional bow (yet), but this is the closest I can come to it. I certainly understand why the bells and whistles are popular, but out in the field I love not having to worry about whacking the sight or forgetting a release. I highly recommend barebow, elky McElkerson. :D

All good advice so far, so here\'s my meager two cents.
--I\'ve had no problems drawing 45-55# with three fingers under (no tab or glove), then anchoring and holding with two (index & middle fingers). Have held for up to 2.5 minutes.
--I\'ve had the most success with 4\" feather fletching and older arrow rests like the Golden Key rests with two adjustable metal flippers (below), but that\'s mostly personal preference.
--I keep shot distances to ~20 yards or less, but that is also personal preference, based more on my low DW/DL than on shooting barebow. With regular practice I can be accurate out to 40 yards.
--My anchor is exactly the same between compound and traditional, but my release on compound is more of a \"dead\" release, without nearly as much follow-through as when I shoot traditional. As with any set up, you really have to find what works best for you.
--It is difficult to be as consistent without sights & release, but you can overcome that with practice, practice, practice.

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Chica,

Thats very cool...55 pounds is a lot of draw weight for a female, you must be pretty buff ! :D Nice to meet a fellow instinctive/ finger shooter!

I really need to pick myself up a tradbow...it seems like it would be so much fun to just walk around and lob arrows at stuff :upthumb:
 
\"elkmtngear\" said:
Chica,

Thats very cool...55 pounds is a lot of draw weight for a female, you must be pretty buff ! :D Nice to meet a fellow instinctive/ finger shooter!

I really need to pick myself up a tradbow...it seems like it would be so much fun to just walk around and lob arrows at stuff :upthumb:
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Not buff...just a persistent pipsqueek! 55# was two years ago, and I\'m still working on getting back up to it. :cry:

Tradbows are a blast, and the transition isn\'t hard at all if you\'re already shooting barebow.
 
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