How long do you bugle?

[iccyman001]

When you are bugling, how long do you make your bugles last?
A few seconds?
Does it matter?



When I started calling I found myself drawing the bugle out way longer than it needed to be.
If you start watching videos or actually time them in the woods, you will see they are very short.

Do you think length of the bugle is important when calling or is this just something they is being over thought.

 

[N&N Waterfowl]

very interesting question...I was thinking the same thing recently. To add to Dan\'s question...as bulls mature and start to become more dominate do the bugles get longer in duration?

 

[Ol' Arky]

When calling any wild game I like to sound as much like them as I can... :ugeek: :ugeek:

With that said there are a lot of bull elk out there and not all of the sound the same...

I have found from years of doing it that when calling ducks, (I know a duck ain\'t a elk BUT ) the way you call makes more difference than the way you sound... :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

 

[JohnFitzgerald]

Interesting question.

The key point to remember is every bugle has the same meaning no matter what. So a bugle is an expression by the elk to announce his/her geographical location. What.....cows bugle? Yes, not often but they do bugle.

The length of your(the hunter) bugles really define your true intention. It\'s a proven fact that the longer any sound is given the easier it is for the listener to pin point where it came from. So the longer the bugle, the more you are contacting at a greater distances. The shorter, the more you\'re talking to your immediate surroundings.

This is why, short bugles are great when working in close on a herd bull. You(the hunter) are essentially advertising to the herd(cows and bull) that you are very close. :upthumb:

Have you ever given a contact bugle and get a response from a great distance? You then you move in close and give the same bugle but get nothing in return! You might tell yourself....where did this bull go! Why do you think this bull is not answering?

My 2-cents!

For those that don\'t believe that cows can and do bugle, check out this video.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPn9k5GWvzU[/youtube]

 

[iccyman001]

Appreciate the responses!

I need to make a conscious effort not to extend my close range (short) bugles.
Everyone keeps talking about calling to the cows.... I need to get that down!

 

[JohnFitzgerald]

Actually Dan, I believe that 99% of all real herd bull bugles are directed at cows.

If you look at the animal kingdom, males try to bread any female they can. And females will only breed with worthy suitors.

So you take the typical senerio, one herd bull bugles w/ chuckles and 500 yards away another herd bull returns with the same sequence. They aren\'t talking to each other, they are promoting themselves to \"other\" cows. It makes no sense instinctually for herd bulls to get communicate to other bulls during rut.

So back to the animal kingdom comment. Every male mammal tries to impress the female(s) of the same species. Sure, they will fight other males for the right to breed but a majority of their time is spent \"strutting\". Elk are no different.

My 2-cents!

 

[Ol' Arky]

Got a question or two or three, John... :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

In the animal kingdom here in Arkansas why do young spike bucks breed doe when there are several mature bucks in the same area?????

If a mature bull elk has a head of 300 cows can he physical protect and breed all of them or do satellite bulls get a few cows for themselves????

Do mammals in the animal kingdom only conceive when breed by mature males????

MY OPINION ONLY... If you have more females than the mature dominate males of the species can breed the excess females don\'t go without being breed but are breed by lesser males of the species... I\'m sure it\'s not a biological fact but I\'ve seen both young spike bucks breed a doe and young jake turkey breed a hen...

Any thoughts??????

 

[JohnFitzgerald]

In the animal kingdom here in Arkansas why do young spike bucks breed doe when there are several mature bucks in the same area?????

The \"Worthy\" male doesn\'t always mean a \"Mature\" male. Hunters always put a label on herd bulls as the biggest and oldest. This is a common myth. For me, last year was a prime example of rag horns having cows with them when a more mature male 300 yards off had cows of his own. A worthy suitor is decided by the cow(s) not by what hunters feel is the best.

If a mature bull elk has a head of 300 cows can he physical protect and breed all of them or do satellite bulls get a few cows for themselves????

Herd bulls will try to breed every cow, but it doesn\'t mean they\'ll succeed. This is why satellite bulls like to hang around the herds. And remember, satellite doesn\'t always mean \"lesser\" bull.

Do mammals in the animal kingdom only conceive when breed by mature males????

Once again, \"worthy\" doesn\'t always mean more mature. A worthy suitor can mean that the only bull within miles is a spike.

 

[iccyman001]

See!!!!!

Sometimes the young bull is the worthy bull

 

[Ol' Arky]

See!!!!!

Sometimes the young bull is the worthy bull

That\'s sure what John said, Dan... :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

 

[iccyman001]

Actually Dan, I believe that 99% of all real herd bull bugles are directed at cows.

If you look at the animal kingdom, males try to bread any female they can. And females will only breed with worthy suitors.

So you take the typical senerio, one herd bull bugles w/ chuckles and 500 yards away another herd bull returns with the same sequence. They aren\'t talking to each other, they are promoting themselves to \"other\" cows. It makes no sense instinctually for herd bulls to get communicate to other bulls during rut.

So back to the animal kingdom comment. Every male mammal tries to impress the female(s) of the same species. Sure, they will fight other males for the right to breed but a majority of their time is spent \"strutting\". Elk are no different.

My 2-cents!

My question from this is touching on chuckles.
There were times where I would located, they\'d answer, I\'d get in closer, they\'d answer, and once I was close enough I\'d locate and they\'d chuckle.......


Where they saying \"here I am, show yourself and come over here!\" Or could he have been talking to my potential cows? \"Hey girls, ditch that loser and come over here!\"

 

[iccyman001]

I guess the thing I also wonder about is tone.
There are gnarly bugles and smooth bugles.

I wonder if they change their pitch or tone when speaking to bulls or cows.


Soft talk verse alpha voice!
Or are all of their bugles the same, just different ones used for the situations.


Im gonna enjoy researching all of this more this year

 

[JohnFitzgerald]

Actually Dan, I believe that 99% of all real herd bull bugles are directed at cows.

If you look at the animal kingdom, males try to bread any female they can. And females will only breed with worthy suitors.

So you take the typical senerio, one herd bull bugles w/ chuckles and 500 yards away another herd bull returns with the same sequence. They aren\'t talking to each other, they are promoting themselves to \"other\" cows. It makes no sense instinctually for herd bulls to get communicate to other bulls during rut.

So back to the animal kingdom comment. Every male mammal tries to impress the female(s) of the same species. Sure, they will fight other males for the right to breed but a majority of their time is spent \"strutting\". Elk are no different.

My 2-cents!

My question from this is touching on chuckles.
There were times where I would located, they\'d answer, I\'d get in closer, they\'d answer, and once I was close enough I\'d locate and they\'d chuckle.......


Where they saying \"here I am, show yourself and come over here!\" Or could he have been talking to my potential cows? \"Hey girls, ditch that loser and come over here!\"

How do you know his chuckles were directed in your direction? Could he have been talking to his cows that were to far spread out?

If he was a satellite bull he could have been inviting you in. I\'ve had satellite bulls do this to me.

Keep things simple, chuckles are an invitation or asking/demanding other elk to join \"him\".

 

[JohnFitzgerald]

I guess the thing I also wonder about is tone.
There are gnarly bugles and smooth bugles.

I wonder if they change their pitch or tone when speaking to bulls or cows.


Soft talk verse alpha voice!
Or are all of their bugles the same, just different ones used for the situations.


Im gonna enjoy researching all of this more this year

Greater intensity of the bugle will only denote a more demanding tone.

My 2-cents!

 

[iccyman001]

Actually Dan, I believe that 99% of all real herd bull bugles are directed at cows.

If you look at the animal kingdom, males try to bread any female they can. And females will only breed with worthy suitors.

So you take the typical senerio, one herd bull bugles w/ chuckles and 500 yards away another herd bull returns with the same sequence. They aren\'t talking to each other, they are promoting themselves to \"other\" cows. It makes no sense instinctually for herd bulls to get communicate to other bulls during rut.

So back to the animal kingdom comment. Every male mammal tries to impress the female(s) of the same species. Sure, they will fight other males for the right to breed but a majority of their time is spent \"strutting\". Elk are no different.

My 2-cents!

My question from this is touching on chuckles.
There were times where I would located, they\'d answer, I\'d get in closer, they\'d answer, and once I was close enough I\'d locate and they\'d chuckle.......


Where they saying \"here I am, show yourself and come over here!\" Or could he have been talking to my potential cows? \"Hey girls, ditch that loser and come over here!\"

How do you know his chuckles were directed in your direction? Could he have been talking to his cows that were to far spread out?

If he was a satellite bull he could have been inviting you in. I\'ve had satellite bulls do this to me.

Keep things simple, chuckles are an invitation or asking/demanding other elk to join \"him\".

Very good point!