Shoot or not #2.....

[iccyman001]

You\'re sitting in your tree stand and you\'re 20 feet up in the tree.
You hear a stick crack and this guy snuck in on you while you were posting about your hunt on this site.


You range him and he\'s at 14 yards below you.


Are you shooting?
If so where?

Or are you waiting?

 

[iccyman001]

I like tree stand hunting and for me, this is too much of an angle and he is quartering too a little too much.
As he stands, I am not shooting.

I am waiting until he starts to walk away and taking a decent angled quartering away shot.

 

[Swede]

I\'m a shootin. I would hold a little high and crowd the shoulder pretty tight. He won\'t go far.

 

[cnelk]

I\'m shooting too.
See that vertical V crease? My arrow will hit at the valley, pass thru thru and will stick in the ground on the other side

 

[Ol' Arky]

How ya gonna shoot with ya phone in ya hand??? :think: :think:

 

[Deertick]

I\'m shooting too.
See that vertical V crease? My arrow will hit at the valley, pass thru thru and will stick in the ground on the other side

Could you put an arrow on the picture to point out that spot. I think we\'re looking at the same thing, but I\'m not sure.

 

[iccyman001]

Swede and Brad,


if your choice on shooting because or the picture or to include the scenario too?

20 feet in the air, you are 6.3 yards up.
If he\'s ranged at 14 yards, then the angle is not FULLY extreme yet, but it\'s definitely shooting at a hard angle down?


I would not take this shot at a deer, but maybe a large elk body would give me a better chance.




I also think I see the V you speak of, but yeah, please post a picture if you don\'t mind!
If I knew how to use paint better I would try to do it.

 

[Swede]

The size of the animal is not a concern. The angle and height of the stand are not a problem. I am usually at least 25 feet up a tree. Sometimes I am over 30 feet higher that the animal when you account for ground slope. As with all shots you need to be able to place your arrow in the kill zone. On this bull, it is narrower and higher than on a broadside bull. Make sure you do not hit too far out on the side of the bull or the arrow will not penetrate inside. I had an arrow travel down the side of a rib years ago and all it did was slice a little hide. Visualize where the arrow will go as it penetrates through the animal. Definitely hit higher than you would if you were shooting from the same elevation the bull is at.

 

[cnelk]

This is where I would put the arrow

 

[elky McElkerson]

i would shoot too.

that is pretty close. pinpoint accuracy distance. plus even a baby bow thrown arrow will feel like a hammer at the receiving end. CNELK\'s target spot would be my point of aim too. you would deflate a lung for sure.

 

[OldMan]

Brad.....What vitals do think that shot will hit?

 

[iccyman001]

The reason I am not shooting is due to the margin of error.
Lets say your entry was spot on, but the exit was fluked, I am seeing the top part of one lung hit and the second one not even touched.


So now we have a high single lung hit and we all know how those track jobs go.


you are pulling out for a good 6 hours minimum, or longer, and hoping he beds down and bleeds out.


I like to put my stand between 20-25 feet and have a little radius I draw around the tree in my head. That way I know once they get within that range, I am not shooting because the angle is too much for me.


This is not to say any of you couldn\'t make this shot you\'re showing or to say it\'s not effective, all I am saying is I am not shooting until I have a better angle and a clear double lung shot.

 

[mainebrdr]

I\'m not shooting. Waiting and 75% chance I get a shot I\'m more comfortable with.

 

[cnelk]

FWIW

Here is my take on the shot presented as shown

Red circle = near lung
Green circle = far lung
Yellow = scapula
Blue area = shoot anywhere here
Red dot = My shot

Due to the angle, and the place of the scapula, the area to hit is about 4 inches [blue]
Center mass of near lung will be hit
The arrow will pass down and thru the far lung, clipping the back of it
The arrow will enter in front of the diaphragm and exit behind it
The exit hole will be low on the far side, allowing blood to flow and not fill up in body cavity.

Many times the \'perfect shot\' wont present itself and the \'next to perfect\' shot must be made.
IMO, this isnt a marginal shot, but a very doable and deadly one.

The animal is close, make the shot and punch your tag

 

[JohnFitzgerald]

Quartering towards....I\'m waiting.

jf

 

[Pop-r]

Don\'t let Brad fool you guys! Lol If that elk had his head turned just a lil bit towards him he\'d pop him right in the top of the brain! I\'m gonna shoot me one like this one day too & mount him with my arrow ab halfway thru his head just as he died. . Not necessarily from a stand but in a situation where i don\'t have anything but a head shot I\'m taking it & looking forward to it! (Only within ab 15 yards.)

 

[Swede]

Guys and gals, there is no reason to wait if you can put an arrow into the blue colored area Brad shows. I know many people can\'t hit that area reliably. I can\'t explain why some shooters, that can hit that area from on the ground, will consistently miss from a stand. This is a top pin shot and this should result in a clean quick kill.

 

[iccyman001]

Guys and gals, there is no reason to wait if you can put an arrow into the blue colored area Brad shows. I know many people can\'t hit that area reliably. I can\'t explain why some shooters, that can hit that area from on the ground, will consistently miss from a stand. This is a top pin shot and this should result in a clean quick kill.

One thing that I do and I am sure you do too Swede is practice from our tree stand.
I know this is a big debate between a lot of people on how to aim from a tree stand, but the best thing that I advise to anyone, no matter what side you are on, is practice from a tree stand and practice the angles.

Practice makes that spot that Brad speaks of hitting, a solid hit every time.
No practice and I bet you they hit too high or low.

With that being said though, I am still waiting.

I will take my larger kill zone when he is at a better angle or shot location for me verse a 4\" area that Brad has shown.

 

[OldMan]

Easier decisions from the ground. I\'ve never been presented a shot like that. I\'m sure i\'d pass if I was.

 

[bowhunter]

My first thought when I saw the pic before reading any replies was to wait till he turned. I should be ok and he doesn\'t know I am up there fixin to deflate his lungs. I then read the posts. I understand the spot Brad and Swede are talking about but I fear getting one lung. A bull will run a long ways with one lung. I think if an arrow was to hit the 7 oclock position of Brads blue circle chances of hitting the opposite side lung would be better.