Silent calling

WW

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by >>>---WW----> ? 08 29, 2012 ?  [Post 1]
\"What is the silent calling method\"? So for those that may not know, I\'ll try to explain.

Silent calling is just another name for what some may call cold calling. I refer to it as silent calling because most of the time, the elk come in to the calls without making a sound. Many times, they actually sneek in for a peek at what or who is making the sounds. So, you need to be on your toes all the time. Many times the silent calling sequence/setup can go on for as long as an hour. So I might add here that a good comfortable position is desireable. I like to find something like a log or rock to sit on as I plan on being there for awhile. I\'ll stay there either until an elk comes in or at least an hour, which ever happens first.

I\'ll try to explain the sequence as best I can. And then I\'ll show how you can switch things around to your advantage if need be.

First of all you need some good background cover so what ever you call in has to look for you. I\'m sure we all understand what that means. Once you have your setup established, the normal way would be to start out with some general herd talk. This would be normal cow/calf talk. Then toward the end of the cow/calf stuff you would throw in either a hyper cow call or an estrus buzz and follow that with one short hi pitched young bull bugle. The whole sequence should last maybe 30 seconds. Don\'t over do it! Then after that you can wait for at least 5 minutes and go throught the whole sequence again. Keep this up for at least an hour at each setup location.

My version of it is to think outside the box and don\'t be afraid to switch things around. For instance, start out with a location bugle from a small bull. Wait about 30 seconds or so before you go with the herd talk sequence. This serves a dual purpose. #1, you may get lucky and have a bull answer and you can scrap the whole deal and go after him. And #2, you can continue with the the whole silent calling routine and stay put right where you are at.

The whole idea is to not go with the very same sequence every time. Sometimes I only do the herd talk with no hyper or buzz stuff. And sometimes no bugle at all. And if I do bugle, I never do it more than once. Remember, no chuckles or grunts and try to sound like a small bull when you do it. Nothing fancy or intimidating.

The reason for the small bull sounds is because I usually use this method in the early part of the season. At that time, as a general rule, 9 times out of 10, there will be only smaller spikes and raghorns hanging with the herd.

Well, Hope this helps to explain it for you and others. Don\'t be afraid to think outside the box once in awhile and switch things up. I forgot to mention that sometimes I\'ll wait as long as 15 minutes or so in between sequences. Just don\'t go hog wild and over do it. Make it sound real!

I saw on another post where someone said they move on to another location after about 20 minutes of calling. That is way too soon to give it up. You need to remember that the reason I call it (silent calling), is because the elk come in without making a sound. They usually sneak in to see what all the commotion is all about. Often they will hang up for awhile before coming on in. By waiting for an hour, you give the elk a chance to either commit or leave. This way you won\'t bust the ones that are undecided and hanging in the bushes trying to make up their mind.
 
Bill, this is a great technique. :clap:

I\'ve had elk come in opening day twice following this method. Heck one year the cow almost stepped on me.

She came in right at the 60 minute mark.

Both times they came in quiet, like very quiet. The cow kicks a log, and the other one (never saw him) was making rustling noise as it moved through the trees.

AB
 
Pleae excuse my absense lately. Baseball season has given me barely enough time to eat and sleep! :yawn:

+1 on Bills explanation.

My experience is that we generally hunt two different types of elk. The first is the elk that don\'t see much pressure and will come in on a dime. We also hunt the elk that have been pressured which in return makes them call shy. Remember at times you must sell it to bring them in.

Think to yourself, What would I expect to hear from a real herd? Bill brings up a good point. Do you think you\'d hear the same sequence over and over?

Sell it......sell it......sell it.....then sell it!

Many spend hours conditioning their bodies for the hunt. How about conditioning your mind as well?

Just my 2-cents!
 
Im the guilty party of staying 20 minutes or so when cold calling... :oops:

But the way I approach it is like this:

Im CALLING, with the intent to bring an elk to me.

By waiting a long time, am I actually calling elk or am I waiting for elk to come within earshot and then commit?

Elk are are always moving.
And if Im in one place for a long time, the chances are that they are moving by me, then hearing my calls

So, after 20 min, Im silently moving forward then setting up again. In hopes to intercept the elk moving from one area to another

My tree stand technique is more like WW\'s silent calling.
I wait a long time and call occasionally

Use whatever works and try it all!
 
\">>>---WW---->\" said:
I saw on another post where someone said they move on to another location after about 20 minutes of calling. That is way too soon to give it up.

I also agree with this important point. I read experienced callers say wait at least 1/2 hour. My observation is that is far too short. I used to wait 1/2 hour, but was busted as I left several times. Who know how many elk I just left behind as I was in too big of a hurry.
I generally wait about 15 minutes between calling sequences, but agree on the need to change things up. Another silent calling stunt I like is to sound like a single small bull squawking away. It will work during the middle of the day sometimes.

Derek Jeter (J.F.) it is good to have you back.
 
If you wait for 40 minutes, stand up, and find you \"busted one\" that was just standing there behind you 30 yards ... would it have mattered how long you waited?

I mean, if that happens, at least some of the time isn\'t it because the animal has seen you (but doesn\'t know just what you are) and is waiting for you to make a move?

And if that\'s the case, were you ever going to draw, anchor, and shoot him?

Or was he going to sneak away anyway after your next 30-second calling sequence?
 
\"Deertick\" said:
If you wait for 40 minutes, stand up, and find you \"busted one\" that was just standing there behind you 30 yards ... would it have mattered how long you waited?

Tick: A hunter is never going to get them all. Usually when I spooked an incoming bull, I had taken a few steps before I was busted. When you are sitting and waiting you need to listen as much as you look. As WW stated, your setup location is critical. In addition, I will move away from my calling location, a few yards, to the place I set down. This too is critical as you can be busted if you step out in the open while moving around. Sometimes I call, look as carefully as possible, and move away. I take a risk when I move. I know the elk can pinpoint where the call came from, so I risk moving. I don\'t like to calls and just squat, but in the right situation this can be the best option. It is especially if you have a clearing, lake or wall behind you. It can be good too, if you have a ridge in front of you.
I think we all may have our preferences, so if I get to hunt with Bill or Brad someday, I will let them call and show me how they prefer to do it. :D
 
BTW Tick: Aren\'t you supposed to be doctoring on someone right now? I hate it when my doctor shines his flashlight in one of my ears, and holds his hand out in front of the other ear, to see if the light shines through. I think it is more embarrassing than when they asks you to bend over and then pull up that goofy little gown the nurse hands you as she leaves chuckling to herself. I especially hate it when he puts his finger up your you know what. You guys get away with a lot, just because you are necessary. :lol:
 
\"Deertick\" said:
If you wait for 40 minutes, stand up, and find you \"busted one\" that was just standing there behind you 30 yards ... would it have mattered how long you waited?

I mean, if that happens, at least some of the time isn\'t it because the animal has seen you (but doesn\'t know just what you are) and is waiting for you to make a move?

And if that\'s the case, were you ever going to draw, anchor, and shoot him?

Or was he going to sneak away anyway after your next 30-second calling sequence?


The goal would be to see that elk before you stood up.
 
\"Still Hunter\" said:
The goal would be to see that elk before you stood up.

Pete: I know you don\'t call, so I think you\'re just stirring the pot! :lol: But really, if you see an elk that already sees you, what are the chances of taking that elk home? My point was that these \"elk that spook just as I stood up\" were not just then coming in ... they have been there for a while, watching you.

Swede: I wear many hats (and a few gloves, too!), Swede. I\'m getting some reading and chores done today (after a little shed hunting this morning).
 
\"Swede\" said:
BTW Tick: Aren\'t you supposed to be doctoring on someone right now? I hate it when my doctor shines his flashlight in one of my ears, and holds his hand out in front of the other ear, to see if the light shines through. I think it is more embarrassing than when they asks you to bend over and then pull up that goofy little gown the nurse hands you as she leaves chuckling to herself. I especially hate it when he puts his finger up your you know what. You guys get away with a lot, just because you are necessary. :lol:

That was the most entertaining post I have read in a while Swede, thanks for that!! :haha:
 
OK, back to the original issue! ...

The question before the forum is this:

Do elk take 1 hour to \"come in\", or are elk that come in after an hour of calling mobile, and have entered ear-shot of the calls?
 
In the dozens, dozens and dozens of elk I have called in, something I have noticed is that the elk have made contact in 3\'s.

Like every 3 minutes.
At the 3 minute mark, 6 minute mark, 9 minute mark, 12 & 15 min.

After the 15 minute mark, the elk that have made contact are much longer to make their presence.
Like almost 20 minutes or longer.

So I stay up to the 20 minute mark, move along, and in 20-30 minutes later Im set up and calling again.

But this works in the area I hunt. Other places it may not
 
\"Deertick\" said:
\"Still Hunter\" said:
The goal would be to see that elk before you stood up.

Pete: I know you don\'t call, so I think you\'re just stirring the pot! :lol: But really, if you see an elk that already sees you, what are the chances of taking that elk home? My point was that these \"elk that spook just as I stood up\" were not just then coming in ... they have been there for a while, watching you.

Swede: I wear many hats (and a few gloves, too!), Swede. I\'m getting some reading and chores done today (after a little shed hunting this morning).

No, I wasn\'t stirring the pot. I was being serious. If you get busted when you stand up. It doesn\'t mean he saw you before you stood up. It just means you didn\'t see the elk. Instead of relying on calling in the elk until you see it. Assume you might have called it in, but you haven\'t found it yet. Look harder. Look everywhere. Don\'t just look for movement. Look as if you know it\'s there, but you haven\'t found it yet.
 
ick it is okay to change hats and gloves. Just don\'t get confused. Those slick latex gloves are tough enough on a guy. Leave you leather gloves in your truck.

I agree with what Still Hunter just posted. Still, it is a bummer that he continues to revert back to serious matters when things get totally off coarse. What a kill joy.
 
Tick: You need to re-read the last paragraph of my post. It explains why I wait an hour. I know of several guys that have busted elk after the 45 minute mark.

And by the way, if you stick your finger up my rear, you had better not have a smile on your face! :haha: :haha:
 
Ive been wondering what a good sequence would be for cold-calling setups so this thread has my interest piqued. One question: When you say a young sounding bull with no chuckles or grunts, is this to sound like the young gun is trying to gather the cows or saying: \"Hear me roar!\" to any elk around? :dk:
 
Trust me, WW ... that ain\'t happening! ... anyway, I doubt I\'m \"in network\" for you ... but I don\'t want to talk insurance because then Swede will get off-track again.
 
Tenderfoot: I do a single hi-pitched and short young bull squeal. Nothing evil, wicked, mean, or nasty. :) Think of a young immature bull. This is because during the early part of the season when this method seems to work best for me, usually the big bulls are still in bachelor groups and the younger ones are usually the only ones hanging around the cows.
 

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