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A matter of excellence...?
- Thread starter cnelk
- Start date
iccyman001
New member
- Apr 30, 2014
- 5,489
Number 2.
I could be an excellent caller, but if the elk in this area don\'t like callers or are quiet, then it doesn\'t help me.
However, if you know where the elk are, why they are there, where they are going next, and then the easiest way to pack out, then I\'m sold.
I could be an excellent caller, but if the elk in this area don\'t like callers or are quiet, then it doesn\'t help me.
However, if you know where the elk are, why they are there, where they are going next, and then the easiest way to pack out, then I\'m sold.
elkmtngear
New member
- Aug 9, 2017
- 1,152
#2 ...shortcutting the learning curve in a new area is worth its weight in gold to me.
depends on if the elk are vocal or not if the elk are vocal I don\'t need to know the area well. I don\'t care where they are gonna be in five hours with an excellent caller most likly we will be packing elk out.
On the otherhand it is great to have knowlege of an area and the bedding ground travel routes ect and is benefical on every hunt, but just cause a person knows the area doesn\'t mean he can find elk. there are some talented people that can look at topos and basically determine where the elk should be (nothing is certain) without ever stepping foot out .
me I would prefer to know the area well and hunt with an excellent caller. Like will I would love to just watch and seehow a pro at work. I would probably learn alot
On the otherhand it is great to have knowlege of an area and the bedding ground travel routes ect and is benefical on every hunt, but just cause a person knows the area doesn\'t mean he can find elk. there are some talented people that can look at topos and basically determine where the elk should be (nothing is certain) without ever stepping foot out .
me I would prefer to know the area well and hunt with an excellent caller. Like will I would love to just watch and seehow a pro at work. I would probably learn alot
Stringunner
New member
- Mar 13, 2014
- 146
#2 knows the area.
All the calling in the world isn\'t going to help me if I/we don\'t know the area and where the elk are likely to be.
All the calling in the world isn\'t going to help me if I/we don\'t know the area and where the elk are likely to be.
G
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#2 I rarely call at as I prefer to be right on top before anything goes on. Once in on them to 50-60 yards most often only a few simple cow mews are all that it takes to get the bull coming your way.
This past season, I had the pleasure of hunting with a person that was both. He had hunted the area since 1978 and was excellent using 2 different mouth reeds for cow and bugling.
#2 because we had to find the elk first by going to many different locations. Some places, I had never been to before. Calling isn\'t very effective in my unit unless using calf sounds or single cow mews. Therefore, I would rather have someone show me new locations that may hold elk then have an excellent caller trying to call in elk that are not within ear shot.
#2 because we had to find the elk first by going to many different locations. Some places, I had never been to before. Calling isn\'t very effective in my unit unless using calf sounds or single cow mews. Therefore, I would rather have someone show me new locations that may hold elk then have an excellent caller trying to call in elk that are not within ear shot.
i was born in 1976.....\"mtnmutt\" said:This past season, I had the pleasure of hunting with a person that was both. He had hunted the area since 1978 and was excellent using 2 different mouth reeds for cow and bugling.
#2 because we had to find the elk first by going to many different locations. Some places, I had never been to before. Calling isn\'t very effective in my unit unless using calf sounds or single cow mews. Therefore, I would rather have someone show me new locations that may hold elk then have an excellent caller trying to call in elk that are not within ear shot.
LoL!\"zpd307\" said:i was born in 1976.....\"mtnmutt\" said:This past season, I had the pleasure of hunting with a person that was both. He had hunted the area since 1978 and was excellent using 2 different mouth reeds for cow and bugling.
A tip for the youngsters...safe your knees if possible. You can do that by at least having trekking poles at camp for your packouts. Once your knees start to go, the CO mountains seem steeper.
JohnFitzgerald
New member
- Mar 31, 2014
- 1,108
Hunt with someone that can contribute is my philosophy. Unless it\'s my son, then he goes before anyone else.
#2-Learn the elk and then learn how to call. I think once you have been around any game animal enough you will pick up on their vocabulary and it\'s at that point you can apply that to your arsenal and become a truly effective caller. Just wonder if I will ever get there :lol:
Glacier Country
New member
- Nov 13, 2013
- 177
Well,I definitely would like to know the area if I could... but if I have to make THIS choice I might choose differently than most of you....
Here is why.
I try to hunt a few new areas every year, but with our busy schedules it is hard for us to scout elk spots so far from home...So there are many times I have barely even looked at the map where I have actually ended up.
So I guess I would choose a very good caller, over knowing the hunting area .... We have taken lots of elk on the 1st hunt in a new area, that we barely knew. I called in a bull with Flystraight, this last fall that another hunter got upwind of and blew our setup. The point is I had never been to this spot in the daylight and had only looked at it on a map.I called in 3 bulls with him a couple days later in a different drainage that I had never hunted. We also hunted a different spot an hour away and Craig said, Just let me know if there is a spot you want to try to bugle... I said ok, a few miles later I said pull over. He just looked at me funny... We stepped out and we heard 3 bulls bugling, and a couple cows ran in front of us. We didn\'t know it then but a guy with a primos bugle was running those elk everywhere. This was kind of a transition area, I would guess, kind of a big flat between ridges, not where some might typically look for elk but they were there. Then on my way home I called my wife and told her I was going to make a quick scouting trip by a spot I had looked at on a map for several years, since I was this close and on my way home. I let a cow walk on that little excursion. I then went to a different spot, I had driven by a few times but never hunted that I had also wanted to try and called 2 bulls, but just as things were getting interesting a pack of wolves swooped in and ran the bulls off.
I guess the point that I am trying to make is that I can cover a lot of ground with my bugle and find elk from sometimes over a mile away. So I am not afraid to use that to my advantage and just sort of learn the country as we go. Would it be better to know the country beforehand..... Sure it would, but I have adapted to this style of Run and gun, strategy and used it all over MT and some parts of ID.
I will say that flystraight uses his GPS more than I do and that is something that I really need to work more on. It was very useful on those hunts.
Many of you, may well be better hunters than me... I just use the tools I am good at, and I am persistent. Part of the reason we move around is because of so much hunting pressure from other hunters that are looking for greener pastures because wolves in the western part of MT have killed everything in their regular hunting spots. Wolves have also dispersed the elk and deer here in Western MT and you cannot count on the elk being in the spots they used to be on a regular basis. So We find ourselves in a situation where pan A and B didn\'t pan out and now we are on hunting plan C,D,E,F where very little actual scouting was done. This past fall most of the spots I hunted were new to me.
I have Swede\'s book Tree Stand Hunting Rocky Mountain Elk and plan on reading that to get some Ideas about where to start down that road.
From some of Cnelk\'s posts I think he has a pretty well rounded elk portfolio... His wind reading and map abilities are fantastic. I think he probably has way more elk in his spots than we do, but he seems to put himself and his partners in just about the right spot time after time. He is scouting and interpreting sign to put himself in just the right spot at the right time. Weather it is a cold calling setup or a tree stand. That in a nutshell is the key... Right place,right time! You gotta like that. Hope Your best hunt is yet to come. Troy Glacier Country Hunting Calls
Here is why.
I try to hunt a few new areas every year, but with our busy schedules it is hard for us to scout elk spots so far from home...So there are many times I have barely even looked at the map where I have actually ended up.
So I guess I would choose a very good caller, over knowing the hunting area .... We have taken lots of elk on the 1st hunt in a new area, that we barely knew. I called in a bull with Flystraight, this last fall that another hunter got upwind of and blew our setup. The point is I had never been to this spot in the daylight and had only looked at it on a map.I called in 3 bulls with him a couple days later in a different drainage that I had never hunted. We also hunted a different spot an hour away and Craig said, Just let me know if there is a spot you want to try to bugle... I said ok, a few miles later I said pull over. He just looked at me funny... We stepped out and we heard 3 bulls bugling, and a couple cows ran in front of us. We didn\'t know it then but a guy with a primos bugle was running those elk everywhere. This was kind of a transition area, I would guess, kind of a big flat between ridges, not where some might typically look for elk but they were there. Then on my way home I called my wife and told her I was going to make a quick scouting trip by a spot I had looked at on a map for several years, since I was this close and on my way home. I let a cow walk on that little excursion. I then went to a different spot, I had driven by a few times but never hunted that I had also wanted to try and called 2 bulls, but just as things were getting interesting a pack of wolves swooped in and ran the bulls off.
I guess the point that I am trying to make is that I can cover a lot of ground with my bugle and find elk from sometimes over a mile away. So I am not afraid to use that to my advantage and just sort of learn the country as we go. Would it be better to know the country beforehand..... Sure it would, but I have adapted to this style of Run and gun, strategy and used it all over MT and some parts of ID.
I will say that flystraight uses his GPS more than I do and that is something that I really need to work more on. It was very useful on those hunts.
Many of you, may well be better hunters than me... I just use the tools I am good at, and I am persistent. Part of the reason we move around is because of so much hunting pressure from other hunters that are looking for greener pastures because wolves in the western part of MT have killed everything in their regular hunting spots. Wolves have also dispersed the elk and deer here in Western MT and you cannot count on the elk being in the spots they used to be on a regular basis. So We find ourselves in a situation where pan A and B didn\'t pan out and now we are on hunting plan C,D,E,F where very little actual scouting was done. This past fall most of the spots I hunted were new to me.
I have Swede\'s book Tree Stand Hunting Rocky Mountain Elk and plan on reading that to get some Ideas about where to start down that road.
From some of Cnelk\'s posts I think he has a pretty well rounded elk portfolio... His wind reading and map abilities are fantastic. I think he probably has way more elk in his spots than we do, but he seems to put himself and his partners in just about the right spot time after time. He is scouting and interpreting sign to put himself in just the right spot at the right time. Weather it is a cold calling setup or a tree stand. That in a nutshell is the key... Right place,right time! You gotta like that. Hope Your best hunt is yet to come. Troy Glacier Country Hunting Calls
I would definitely prefer someone who knows the area. Even if someone is an excellent caller, if you\'re not familiar with the terrain, game travel routes, & feeding/bedding spots in that area, you\'re probably only going to call in other hunters. At least that\'s been my newbie experience...
