Chris Roe\'s "doorway"....

[iccyman001]

If you all watched the video Brad posted, Chris was hunting about 40 yards away from some very thick stuff.


His main goal was to get the bull to come to the \"doorway\" of the thick stuff and shoot him.

Does anyone else do this or a similar tactic?
Do you have any tips for people who may want to try it?

 

[cnelk]

I picked up on the \'doorway\' too. A very interesting analogy for sure!
I am sure I have setup in similar conditions, just never named it!

 

[iccyman001]

I have two areas that I can try this one this year, but I am just wondering how I should set up.


Obviously I can think of a few issues right from the get go:

- Shot placement
- Concealment of blind
- What call to use to bring them out


If a bull uses this doorway method, I see him coming out to the \"door\" and freezing.
He will start looking for a cow and this is where it gets interesting.

Do I shoot for a frontal shot or wait for him to turn and hopefully get a shot in?

Maybe this is a good spot for a decoy set up?
You think, we have two caller teams set up. Shooter up front, caller in the back.

Maybe a good tactic for this as a solo act could be set the decoy up at 40 yards, but be set up at 30 yards?

Obviously concealment of the shooter is important.


I guess the biggest question would be what call do you realistically think would bring the bull out?

Assume you have two separate scenarios:

One set up is just two bulls in the thick stuff.


The other scenario is a bull with 6 cows.






What do you have ? :dance2:

 

[cnelk]

I guess the biggest question would be what call do you realistically think would bring the bull out?

No call.
Like Chris said, that bull pinned him down from a good distance.
If the bull doesnt see an elk [ and can see the area] dont call, let him think the cow moved and he will come looking

I have made the mistake of calling when I should not have!

 

[iccyman001]

I phrased that wrong, Brad.
What call would you use to get him to come to the doorway in the first place?


Not bring him out completely.

 

[Zpd307]

that vid prompted me to buy into his online modules. I wish I would have done this years ago when I first started. very good info for newbs.... which I still am.

 

[Tdiesel]

the \"DOORWAY\" is just where the bull goes to try to get a look at the area he is hearing calling from. How many times have you heard of calling with a ridge top in range so an elk has to come peek over to see. nothing new on that principle just coined a term. in a two person set up one would just hide the shooter at the ridge top or just on elk side of top and caller would back off in a draw then elk still thinks he has a ways to go before he should see elk. if shooter sets up on down wind side elk will probably walk by for a great broadside shot. Think of it like a \"T\" set up
As far as calls go it entirely depends on the bull or even elk for that matter.

If it is a couple bulls they are probably not tending cows or one has cows and the other wants some cows, cow calls would be great bull without cows will most likely B-line it for you.
Bull with cows as long as his cows are bedded he will venture a little ways off to try to investigate another cow. seems some herd bulls will stand their ground and fight where another may run at any sign of trouble depends on the bull and his attitude. bugles could work great there or they may not work so good. Just depends on what kind or mood that particular bull is. Some could care less and you won\'t get them to come at all or cows may not allow it to happen.

 

[WW]

Wasn\'t there another Roe video on the same thread? Lots of door ways in that one but that bull decided to get the wind in his favor first. They can come at you from any direction. So don\'t get hung up on the door way theory.

I think what Chris might have been referring to was there was an opening in the thick stuff that he (thought) the elk might come through.

 

[Deertick]

The way I\'ve heard the \"doorway\" explained is that the animal gets to the \"doorway\" and by there expects to see something.

Think if you heard a loud BANG in a back room at your house. You go back to investigate. You get to the doorway and LOOK.

At that point, you have to make a decision: Go on in to investigate further, or back away, fearful of what you DON\'T see.

Of course, if might be that you see your dog, sitting next to a plant knocked over, and you realize that it\'s not an intruder and you take care of it.

The doorway is a spot where the bull stops and then makes a decision, generally where he expects to see what he\'s looking for, and the decision is \"Do I keep looking, or am I going to bug-out?\"

 

[iccyman001]

The way I\'ve heard the \"doorway\" explained is that the animal gets to the \"doorway\" and by there expects to see something.
Think if you heard a loud BANG in a back room at your house. You go back to investigate. You get to the doorway and LOOK.
At that point, you have to make a decision: Go on in to investigate further, or back away, fearful of what you DON\'T see.
Of course, if might be that you see your dog, sitting next to a plant knocked over, and you realize that it\'s not an intruder and you take care of it
The doorway is a spot where the bull stops and then makes a decision, generally where he expects to see what he\'s looking for, and the decision is \"Do I keep looking, or am I going to bug-out?\"

This is how I took it as well.

Almost like that transition point where they can either stay at the thick cover line or come out into whatever area you\'re set up in.

 

[iccyman001]

If it is a couple bulls they are probably not tending cows or one has cows and the other wants some cows, cow calls would be great bull without cows will most likely B-line it for you.

This is what I am hoping to have happen early season. Catch a few bulls in one area and try to drag them out with some cow calls.
If I am with a partner or two, then we can attempt that T set up you mentioned.

 

[Zpd307]

john explained it very well. the point to take from the doorway, is to be aware of possible doorways because they will effect how you should set up. this is mainly from a solo hunter aspect, as its been mentioned before, elk can pinpoint you very well. 2 hunters with the caller back farther changes where the doorway is located, often placing the shooter well within the room, not outside the doorway.
chris does a very good job explaining these things in his online vids. he explains the elk behavior and relates it to how we think. and I have only watched a handful so far. my confidence is already increasing. I am going back to prior elk encounters and thinking about what I did, that obviously didn\'t work, and thinking about what I should have done based on what chris has taught me.
I am really getting pumped for September!!!!