How long? (gutless method)
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Lark Bunting
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How to you folks handle the evidence of sex for the bull or cow?
For my deer I left a few nipples, hide-on on one of the quarters and rubber banded it in a ziploc bag. :wtf:
For my deer I left a few nipples, hide-on on one of the quarters and rubber banded it in a ziploc bag. :wtf:
Lark Bunting
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I have to take the whole udder on a cow elk?! :shock:\"cnelk\" said:
colorado russ
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Jaquomo forgot to add that Aron can also take out the entire boned elk in one pack!!! Assuming of course the pack holds up! 
Okay, that\'s a little stretch but I recall reading about a pack out of around 100 lbs boneless meat a few years ago. I think he bench presses over 400 lbs. Nice guy - just wouldn\'t want to see him upset!
Okay, that\'s a little stretch but I recall reading about a pack out of around 100 lbs boneless meat a few years ago. I think he bench presses over 400 lbs. Nice guy - just wouldn\'t want to see him upset!
\"Lark Bunting\" said:
You dont HAVE to, but I do. Why not? It dries up and basically is a flap of skin.
I know of guys that split the EoS so part is on each quarter [in case a bear gets the quarter with the EoS on it]
But.... in the dozens and dozens of elk we have taken off the mountain I have never had an issue.
Page 17 of the Regs:
EVIDENCE OF SEX
1. It is illegal to have or transport a big-game carcass
without evidence of sex naturally attached. It is
illegal only to have evidence of sex accompany the
carcass. If you submit a deer or elk head for CWD
testing, leave evidence of sex on the carcass.
2. EVIDENCE OF SEX IS:
A. BUCK/BULL: Head with antlers or horns attached
to carcass; or testicle, scrotum or penis
attached to carcass.
B. DOE/COW: Head, udder (mammary) or vulva
attached to carcass.
C. BLACK BEAR: Male: testicles or penis.
Female: vulva.
3. Heads detached from carcass are not adequate
evidence of sex.
4. If a carcass is cut in pieces or deboned, evidence
of sex needs to be attached to a quarter or another
major part of carcass. All portions must be trans- ported together.
5. Evidence of sex is not required if a donation certificate
accompanies less than 20 pounds of meat or
after the carcass is cut into processed meat, wrapped
and frozen, or stored at licensee?s home.
NEW TIP! If you shoot a young buck or bull with antlers
less than 5 inches long, it can be considered ?antlerless?.
But what do you do about evidence of sex?
1) Leave the head and antlers naturally attached to a por- tion of the carcass to prove it meets the requirement.
2) Leave the testicles attached to a portion of the car- cass and then you can detach the head or skull plate
and carry it out with the antlers intact.
elkmtngear
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Good stuff Brad!
I\'m not as fast as some of these solo guys. I also skin the whole side out, and lay the skin out to give a clean working surface before flipping. Take off both quarters (cut off at the hock), loin, neck and rib/brisket meat, and reach in and cut the tenderloins. I put it all in pantyhose as I go. Then flip, repeat!
1 1/2 hours give or take. I did my Wife\'s \"wild\" beef bull calf in about 45 mins, with her watching. :clap:
She was impressed...but then, she is easily impressed. After all, she married me
I\'m not as fast as some of these solo guys. I also skin the whole side out, and lay the skin out to give a clean working surface before flipping. Take off both quarters (cut off at the hock), loin, neck and rib/brisket meat, and reach in and cut the tenderloins. I put it all in pantyhose as I go. Then flip, repeat!
1 1/2 hours give or take. I did my Wife\'s \"wild\" beef bull calf in about 45 mins, with her watching. :clap:
She was impressed...but then, she is easily impressed. After all, she married me
elky McElkerson
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i\'m slow. well my brother and i are slow. takes us about 1.5 hours i suppose. we take out a lot. i carry the liver and heart. we even bring out the meat between the ribs. we take all the feet off at the first joint, skin the legs and hinds and bring them out whole. we debone them at camp. if we are backpack hunting, we debone on the spot.
i WILL collect the tongue and probably bring out the neck whole if i am blessed the next time. i have a mexican chef buddy that wants to smoke and braise the neck in it\'s entirety and serve it up as pick and pull taco meat. i\'m game.
i WILL collect the tongue and probably bring out the neck whole if i am blessed the next time. i have a mexican chef buddy that wants to smoke and braise the neck in it\'s entirety and serve it up as pick and pull taco meat. i\'m game.
Just to take this thread on a spur...
If you decide to process your meat in camp, that is perfectly legal.
And at that time you can legally remove the EoS, as long as the meat is processed/packaged into consumable portions
Basically once it is to be processed, either at a business or camp or home, the EoS can be removed.
But... I would recommend taking A LOT of pictures as they can be worth a thousand words when pleading your case...
If you decide to process your meat in camp, that is perfectly legal.
And at that time you can legally remove the EoS, as long as the meat is processed/packaged into consumable portions
Basically once it is to be processed, either at a business or camp or home, the EoS can be removed.
But... I would recommend taking A LOT of pictures as they can be worth a thousand words when pleading your case...
It took me 2.5 hours to do the gutless last year. My bull was on his back with his feet in the air against a blowdown on a hill. I bagged it and transported the bags 100yards from the carcass in 2.5 hours. I spent 30-45 minutes trying to move it to an easier spot. It wasn\'t budging. I had to remove all 4 quarters and still could not get to the loins. I had to gut it and remove half of the weight just to get it rolled onto the log so I could get the loins while I held it propped there with my knee. It was a tough job solo in that spot. I would gladly do it again though.
elky McElkerson
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solo is difficult.
with a team is easier, but friggen dangerous. two guys, tired, adrenalined up, sharp knives, close proximity.. BE CAREFUL!
my brother and i are in constant verbal contact. we keep each other posted on where we are moving about. even holding back the hide for each other..call out.
be safe. safety first second and third.
i\'d rather be slow as a team
with a team is easier, but friggen dangerous. two guys, tired, adrenalined up, sharp knives, close proximity.. BE CAREFUL!
my brother and i are in constant verbal contact. we keep each other posted on where we are moving about. even holding back the hide for each other..call out.
be safe. safety first second and third.
i\'d rather be slow as a team
There is no way, I am holding an elk\'s leg up while using a knife. For me, that is looking for trouble.
Here is a tip for holding a leg up...
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Paracord or BlueWater 3 mm Niteline which comes in reflective orange. I prefer the BlueWater line over the paracord since it reflects light from my headlamp.
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Taut line hitch - I use it for my tent\'s guylines. It works as a slider. I prefer the taut line hitch over the sliders on my tent. Line adjusts quickly in length to move the leg up or down.
Or throw a line over a tree branch to hold the leg up. I may have to do this too if I remove the hind without deboning first. The thing looks heavy and I wouldn\'t want it to hit the ground.
Here is a tip for holding a leg up...
1-2 MSR Mini Ground Hog tent stake ($3/ea). Weighs 0.35 oz per stake. Get the shorter (mini) ones for the Rockies.
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Paracord or BlueWater 3 mm Niteline which comes in reflective orange. I prefer the BlueWater line over the paracord since it reflects light from my headlamp.
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Taut line hitch - I use it for my tent\'s guylines. It works as a slider. I prefer the taut line hitch over the sliders on my tent. Line adjusts quickly in length to move the leg up or down.
Or throw a line over a tree branch to hold the leg up. I may have to do this too if I remove the hind without deboning first. The thing looks heavy and I wouldn\'t want it to hit the ground.
elky McElkerson
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\">>>---WW---->\" said:
I do this^
Sent via Jedi mind trick.
Mad_Angler
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Several folks say that they take all the meat... I disagree. It looks like the left all the rib meat, brisket meat, and some of the neck meat.
I also leave all that with deer.
But for moose, we took EVERYTHING. The only things we left behind were: skull without antlers, skin, feet, lungs/stomach/kidneys/intestines.
I also leave all that with deer.
But for moose, we took EVERYTHING. The only things we left behind were: skull without antlers, skin, feet, lungs/stomach/kidneys/intestines.
Thanks. I have seen that method in videos. I\'m not experienced with knives, so securing the leg may give me piece of mind for my first go at it. The Rear needs a bit of work on the ball joint, plus EoS on one. The Front looks super easy. Once I have experience, I could do the faster methods.\"elky McElkerson\" said:
