How much are waypoints worth?
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I suppose it all depends on the success a hunter had at the waypoints. A tree stand location that had produced 5-10 elk would be worth a lot more than just a remote wallow in the woods. I would not pay a lot for a way point. If I was on my first hunt, out of State, and I had no opportunity to do significant preseason scouting, then probably $500.00 would be reasonable for a proven stand location. Just my thought, but tree stand locations take years to prove their full usefulness.
If I offered to sell you a tree stand waypoint, how would you know I was not a cheat? Even if I honestly said I had taken many elk at the $500 hole, there is no guarantee it is still good.
Selling waypoints is selling information. It is not guiding.
If I offered to sell you a tree stand waypoint, how would you know I was not a cheat? Even if I honestly said I had taken many elk at the $500 hole, there is no guarantee it is still good.
Selling waypoints is selling information. It is not guiding.
JohnFitzgerald
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If you do sell your waypoints then I think the buyer would want documented proof. Trail cam picks of regular activity will probably do just fine. But they would want as current information as possible and that might just cut into your season. If I was to pay $500, that\'s what I would expect. But the more success you have, the more testimonials you\'d build.
Ok. Help me understand.
Since its not considered guiding, wouldn\'t it be like guiding?
I have never hired a guide to hunt, but from what I have read, don\'t they say \'go here\' or \'hunt there\'?
I have also read (or heard) that it costs several thousand $$$ to have a guide.
And it\'s not a guarantee to be successful? Correct?
Anyone?
Since its not considered guiding, wouldn\'t it be like guiding?
I have never hired a guide to hunt, but from what I have read, don\'t they say \'go here\' or \'hunt there\'?
I have also read (or heard) that it costs several thousand $$$ to have a guide.
And it\'s not a guarantee to be successful? Correct?
Anyone?
JohnFitzgerald
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Definition of guiding:
\"Guide\" means any person who receives any form of remuneration for his services in accompanying or assisting any person in the fields, forests or on the waters or ice within the jurisdiction of the State while hunting, fishing, trapping, boating, snowmobiling or camping at a primitive camping area.
If you provide waypoints then by definition you are assisting.
\"Guide\" means any person who receives any form of remuneration for his services in accompanying or assisting any person in the fields, forests or on the waters or ice within the jurisdiction of the State while hunting, fishing, trapping, boating, snowmobiling or camping at a primitive camping area.
If you provide waypoints then by definition you are assisting.
\"JohnFitzgerald\" said:
Obviously selling a waypoint is not normally assisting \"while hunting\". It is not necessarily in the field, forest, etc. either. I suppose I would be classified as a guide if I charged you for using the tree stand or ground blind I set up.
JohnFitzgerald
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I guess it depends on how you take \"assistant any person in the field\". Does it imply assist any person while you(outfitter) is in the field or does it imply assist any person while they(customers) are in the field. Maybe it\'s both!
cohunter14
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Personally I think this is a good idea. For people who come from out of state or even those who live in state but don\'t have time to scout, I think it would be very helpful. At least it is a start in the right direction. If you are moving to a new area, some waypoints like that could be worth a few years of scouting and hunting the area, which is what it would take to gather that much information.
As far as if it\'s guiding? I sure don\'t think so. Even the cheapest guided hunt, a drop camp, would be providing hunters more than just waypoints. To me, waypoints are like someone giving you advice on an area. Maybe you pay for those waypoints, but it shouldn\'t cost near as much as a dropcamp hunt. And my expectations would be a lot lower paying for waypoints than they would be for any outfitted hunt.
As far as if it\'s guiding? I sure don\'t think so. Even the cheapest guided hunt, a drop camp, would be providing hunters more than just waypoints. To me, waypoints are like someone giving you advice on an area. Maybe you pay for those waypoints, but it shouldn\'t cost near as much as a dropcamp hunt. And my expectations would be a lot lower paying for waypoints than they would be for any outfitted hunt.
And, BTW, I think with the proper business model, this might be a reasonable endeavor.
For instance ... wife and I were driving around a USFS road yesterday doing some Christmas Tree hunting ... (yes, we were road hunting!) ... and one road happened to be plowed, due to some ongoing logging activity.
We followed the road thinking that it offered some cool summer camping spots, and quickly the goal turned out to be to look for pull-offs to get a camper in. I was displeased to find that I didn\'t bring my GPS to save some waypoints.
If I were a hunter coming from East Timbuktu, Ohio to hunt elk, pulling a bumper hitch camper or maybe some ATVs, I\'d be a little worried about finding a good area for what the USFS calls \"dispersed camping\". Just selling waypoints to those spots with some suggestions on where to hunt from there would be worth something.
For instance ... wife and I were driving around a USFS road yesterday doing some Christmas Tree hunting ... (yes, we were road hunting!) ... and one road happened to be plowed, due to some ongoing logging activity.
We followed the road thinking that it offered some cool summer camping spots, and quickly the goal turned out to be to look for pull-offs to get a camper in. I was displeased to find that I didn\'t bring my GPS to save some waypoints.
If I were a hunter coming from East Timbuktu, Ohio to hunt elk, pulling a bumper hitch camper or maybe some ATVs, I\'d be a little worried about finding a good area for what the USFS calls \"dispersed camping\". Just selling waypoints to those spots with some suggestions on where to hunt from there would be worth something.
Swede REALLY??? You would think $500 for a proven stand waypoint might be worth it????? Boy, have I got a deal for you!
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And for a limited time, you can get the second one FREE for just paying the extra shipping and handling . :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:
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\">>>---WW---->\" said:
For the right person, I think $500 could be worth it. As John mentioned, if you are coming from out east somewhere, you would spend $500 in gas just to get out for a scouting trip. If someone was giving you waypoints that put you into elk country already, that saves you multiple days of scouting on your own and hoping to find those spots.
As far as a business model goes, I don\'t know...someone would have to have a lot of knowledge about a bunch of different areas. If you sold waypoints to each of those areas for $500 (for example), you would have to have a bunch of different spots to make enough money to make the whole ordeal even worth it.
JohnFitzgerald
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In regards to business model, I\'m going to agree with Derek. At first you might be able to make a few dollars but you probably wouldn\'t be able to sustain it unless you spent a lot of time in the woods. Overhead....gas trail cams....etc.
Maybe you should document an area really well and then try posting it on a bidding site with a $350 reserve.
Maybe you should document an area really well and then try posting it on a bidding site with a $350 reserve.
Who knows what a waypoint is worth. How could I be sure the photos were really relevant to the dates I plan to hunt?
The tree stand location where my son, friends and I have killed many elk (at least 10) has been poor the last few years. When it was still hot, I told a friend, that was down on his luck, to go sit in my stand and enjoy. He complained it was the stupidest place he ever sat. Stringunner killed a great bull at a place last year, but was very poor this year.
Can you assure me that hunters will not be all over the site on opening morning next season? Will cattle be hammering the water hole when I arrive. Will John Fitzgerald\'s trail camera pictures really prove anything. More than anything I would need to trust the seller of the information. In addition I would want to have the coordinates or a map to a good camp location and advise on how to approach my waypoint.
The tree stand location where my son, friends and I have killed many elk (at least 10) has been poor the last few years. When it was still hot, I told a friend, that was down on his luck, to go sit in my stand and enjoy. He complained it was the stupidest place he ever sat. Stringunner killed a great bull at a place last year, but was very poor this year.
Can you assure me that hunters will not be all over the site on opening morning next season? Will cattle be hammering the water hole when I arrive. Will John Fitzgerald\'s trail camera pictures really prove anything. More than anything I would need to trust the seller of the information. In addition I would want to have the coordinates or a map to a good camp location and advise on how to approach my waypoint.
\"cnelk\" said:
Not just waypoints but \"hunt plans\" are sold to diy hunters. These can sell for upwards of 10K depending on the area. I have some spots that I couldn\'t put a price on. I also have some good spots that, like cnelk mentioned, I\'ll likely never hunt again. I\'d sell those but I can\'t think of anything I\'d sell for $500 or less. I\'d rather give it up to a friend or even an Elkmentor newbie than sell for a mere $500. Just my .02
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\"cnelk\" said:
As otcWill said, they are out there. The original elk hunting forum that I met Brad on sold them. $750 I think I remember seeing?
cohunter14
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Come to think of it, the last site we came from had someone who just started doing this as well...
