Lark Bunting
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- Sep 14, 2016
- 710
I have tried Gatorade bottles, 2 liter bottles, misc PVC, etc and just can\'t quite get the sound I\'m looking for. I give up on making one for now.
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Need a new bugle
- Thread starter Wake26
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I have started practicing my calling. I have a Primos baffle bugle and can make it sound decent I guess but seems like most elk hunters from out west are using tubes that are a lot larger in diameter and shorter. I don\'t think I\'ll have a problem making bugles with a mouth call, been using mouth calls on turkeys since the early 80s. What kind of tube do you guys recommend, they don\'t sell any in southeast Missouri.
Although I havent used this one in particular, it is known to be a good one.
I\'ll give Corey a plug....
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Lots of good hollow tubes out there, depending upon what you want to carry around.
As far as what to use to make the sound through the tube, a diaphragm is by FAR the most versatile (aside from a voice bugle). With a good double reed that fits your palate you can make almost every bull sound, as well as cow-calf sounds too. Some people like cut 2.5s, some like triples. My current favorite is Bugling Bull\'s Herd Master. Designed by Rocky Jacobsen, multiple world-champion caller (along with his son Corey, who is a 7-time world champion). It\'s the only diaphragm I carry anymore, for cow-calling or locator bugles. For closer-range bugling, whines, etc.. I only voice-bugle.
When I practice with a new diaphragm, I don\'t worry about making cow-bull sounds at first. I practice musical scales, practice different songs. WIth a good one I can get 2+ octaves of range. If you can control your tongue, palate and breathing to make notes on command, you can make any cow-calf-bull sound, plus carry on conversations with them with herd talk.
Voice-bugling is awesome, but not everyone can do it. You suck air in and constrict your throat to control the pitch and tone. Makes the most realistic sounding grunts and chuckles, too. With a little practice you can mimic any bull\'s bugle, which really pisses them off. Drives dogs nuts, too, because it produces a multi-tone throughout the scale. I use it for a popping grunt to stop them for a shot, and it always stops them on a dime.
As far as what to use to make the sound through the tube, a diaphragm is by FAR the most versatile (aside from a voice bugle). With a good double reed that fits your palate you can make almost every bull sound, as well as cow-calf sounds too. Some people like cut 2.5s, some like triples. My current favorite is Bugling Bull\'s Herd Master. Designed by Rocky Jacobsen, multiple world-champion caller (along with his son Corey, who is a 7-time world champion). It\'s the only diaphragm I carry anymore, for cow-calling or locator bugles. For closer-range bugling, whines, etc.. I only voice-bugle.
When I practice with a new diaphragm, I don\'t worry about making cow-bull sounds at first. I practice musical scales, practice different songs. WIth a good one I can get 2+ octaves of range. If you can control your tongue, palate and breathing to make notes on command, you can make any cow-calf-bull sound, plus carry on conversations with them with herd talk.
Voice-bugling is awesome, but not everyone can do it. You suck air in and constrict your throat to control the pitch and tone. Makes the most realistic sounding grunts and chuckles, too. With a little practice you can mimic any bull\'s bugle, which really pisses them off. Drives dogs nuts, too, because it produces a multi-tone throughout the scale. I use it for a popping grunt to stop them for a shot, and it always stops them on a dime.
So basically the tube doesn\'t matter, just the diaphragm? I\'m very picky about my turkey calls so I can easily relate to that. I don\'t buy calls from Walmart or at the local hunting shop. I want something different than what every other turkey hunter will be carrying and all of my frictions are custom made. I\'ll check those calls out. I think I will be able to produce the sounds. Just knowing when to use them and having an experienced elk hunter to bounce them off of would be nice.
The tube style itself has different purposes. A cut off baseball bat is great for locator calling across a canyon (and impressing judges behind the curtain at a contest), but not so much for close-up work on a real bull. It\'s important to have corrugations in the tube to cause the notes to \"break over\", but I\'ve called in plenty with no tube at all, just cupped hands. My current all-around tube is a mini-chuckler. It has a nice resonance, can produce enough volume to reach out there (elk can hear much better than people give them credit for) but still small enough to not be a hassle to carry around.
But you can get basically the same effect with a piece of flexible corrugated 1.5\" PVC from the hardware store. I have several of those with homemade camo covers and they work as well as any commercially marketed and branded tube.
But you can get basically the same effect with a piece of flexible corrugated 1.5\" PVC from the hardware store. I have several of those with homemade camo covers and they work as well as any commercially marketed and branded tube.
Lark Bunting
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- Sep 14, 2016
- 710
Got it! Thanks again Brad. I\'ve been driving the family and dog absolutely NUTS with it. :clap:\"cnelk\" said:Lark
You have a Wayne Carlton bugle tube on the way to your house
It isn\'t so much the tube or the diaphragm that makes the difference. It\'s the caller who knows how to make the right sounds at the right time and does it realisticly enough to fool an elk.
There is no best tube or no best diaphragm. If there was, there wouldn\'t be so many of them on the market. Everyone needs to experiment and find out what works best them.
There is no best tube or no best diaphragm. If there was, there wouldn\'t be so many of them on the market. Everyone needs to experiment and find out what works best them.
Glacier Country
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- Nov 13, 2013
- 177
Lets just say I have made bugle tubes out of everything I could get my hands on. Last year some friends and I got together as many different Bugle tubes as we could find and tested each of them head to head. To say that the tube doesn\'t make a difference is a little misleading. IMO I think you are better off with a bigger tube overall than a smaller tube. If you only want to have 1. You can always sound smaller with a big tube, but you cannot sound as big with a small tube. Big tubes are a pain to pack around, no question about it. They sound more realistic, though. A lot more realistic. In a game where locating elk is the first objective to score I want to be able to cover as much real estate with my location bugle as possible. my last bugle at a bull is probably from 50 yards or so, and I will bugle full force with the biggest bugle I can at times. Dan Moore told me one time... \"I don\'t think You can Sound TOO Big\"... and for the STYLE OF CALLING we do, I think he is right.
Glacier Country
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- Nov 13, 2013
- 177
WW said,
\"One of these days I\'m going to take the mouth piece from my old Power Bugle and stuff it in the end of a plastic ball bat and see if I can tweak a little extra out of it.\"
I have already beat you to that... WW>>> when my son was about 3 he terrorized the neighborhood with a concoction like that. My kids used that concoction to win Bugling competitions all over before they learned how to use a mouth call! That combo is AWESOME!!!
\"One of these days I\'m going to take the mouth piece from my old Power Bugle and stuff it in the end of a plastic ball bat and see if I can tweak a little extra out of it.\"
I have already beat you to that... WW>>> when my son was about 3 he terrorized the neighborhood with a concoction like that. My kids used that concoction to win Bugling competitions all over before they learned how to use a mouth call! That combo is AWESOME!!!
