Pimping Junk

[Swede]

I have always been the curious type and am willing to try new things. Sometimes they are an improvement to my gear collection or add to my skill level. Sometimes things I buy end up laying laying around, until I clean up my hunting room. Some things have a place with me in camp or on the hunt, but some things don\'t. Just because I don\'t need one thing or another is no reflection on its usefulness for others. It may be more of a reflection of my hunting style than anything else, or it may not fit into my budget.
I do not use a lot of elk calls, but have them for times I like to go out and get an elk response. I have never broke down and bought elkmtngear\'s Slip System. I am satisfied it is probably a useful product in the right area. I like Jeff and think he is a great guy. He would be welcome in my camp anytime he wants to come around. I have just not broke down to try it yet.
So what is your point Swede? Yesterday I read a thread, on another forum, where the forum sponsor is pimping a product he has never used in the field. To say the least the producer of the bow mounted contraption would have a significant hill to surmount, to convince me his product is an asset and not a liability.
I appreciate all of our sponsors, and truly believe what they are selling has a useful place in at least some hunting camps. More and more products are going to be advertised on this forum. For that I am thankful and hope that our members, and lurkers too patronize their products that they feel will boost their chance to score. I too have a book available for elk hunters. I am proud of the book, but have not tried to twist arms or pimp it more than to explain what it is about. A good deal is primarily a good deal for the purchaser. If a product is good deal, it will sell itself with only reasonable market exposure.
Here is my personal commitment to you. I will not endorse a product I have no experience with. I will not hype a product just to increase the revenue for this forum. I will not try to persuade you to buy anything I do not truly believe has a legitimate place in a hunter\'s collections of, or if I believe it costs more than it is reasonably worth.

SWEDE

 

[cnelk]

Swede,
At this time I have enough \'mousetraps\' for the style of elk hunting I do.
Some get used, other are in a box somewhere.
There are a couple of new items on the horizon that have my interest tho, but time will tell.

You are correct that there will more and more items and products advertised here and we will do our best to make sure they fit the needs of the forum.
And we will also try to keep the products at reasonable prices.

 

[WW]

Hmmm! Do I smell something brewing here?

 

[elkmtngear]

Yesterday I read a thread, on another forum, where the forum sponsor is pimping a product he has never used in the field. To say the least the producer of the bow mounted contraption would have a significant hill to surmount, to convince me his product is an asset and not a liability. SWEDE

Swede,
I think I may know the product you speak of...and it sort of bugged me as well. The first thing my hunting partner and I did before we started production, was take our prototype elk decoy to Colorado on an elk hunt to make sure it would work. We had decoy encounters with 5 different bulls that Season, and couldn\'t quite seal the deal, but it was very apparent the decoy was working.

The clincher was when we used the decoy to move around a group of cows and spikes, to get back between two bulls bugling (two of us were able to advance around them on a semi-open ridge, walking behind the unit and shielding with it). The result was textbook (and I wish I would have got it on film)...all it took was an excited cow call to bring one of those bulls in screaming and dripping black mud. Cory had moved out ahead behind a spruce about 60 yards down...and the bull locked on the decoy, then visibly relaxed and came in to try to get the wind off it. The result was an 8 yard shot for Corey...slam dunk!

The first thing we did when we got back to the rig, was to drive 100 miles to get internet reception on the phone, so we could tell the Manufacturer the project was a \"go\".

I\'ve probably told this story a hundred times. There was just no way we were going to make an investment like this without fully testing the product, to do otherwise seems foolish and irresponsible to me.

What I\'ve found is, a great idea doesnt\' just end with a great idea. There are many untold bugs that need to be worked out...and you can\'t forecast that; you have to put the idea through its paces to find them. Trust me when I say, there were many modifications made before we went into full production. That\'s my story, and I\'m sticking to it :upthumb:

 

[cohunter14]

Wow, I have been laughing for 5 minutes Swede...I saw what you are talking about and that is pretty darn funny! :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

Jeff, do you have any copyrights on your idea BTW? Some of that thing looks fairly similar, although used way different...

 

[elkmtngear]

Jeff, do you have any copyrights on your idea BTW? Some of that thing looks fairly similar, although used way different...

Derek...U.S.Patent #8051864 B1

We have been selling these all over the U.S. and Canada (and some other Countries) for about 4 1/2 years now.

Enough about that...wouldn\'t want to be accused of threadjacking along with the pimping :lol:

 

[Swede]

Jeff, I admit that I was skeptical of the Slip System at first. I had no doubt on many of the advertised points, but that it would work as a decoy, I had my doubts. My doubts were based on my understanding of what an elk\'s eye can see. You may remember I referred to it as an umbrella more than anything else. I was satisfied it was a competent blind too. Over the past couple years I have been satisfied that your Slip System is the real deal.
As promised above, I won\'t endorse the Slip System, but will say I will purchase one, when I think I will have probable opportunity to put it to the test. More than anything else, I have come to respect you and what you are trying to do.
Before I joined the other forum, I was given full assurance it would be first and foremost about helping individuals interested in learning more about elk hunting. That passion has not changed for me. That is why I am here. There is not one thing I have not been willing to share freely, that is covered in the tree stand book. Sharing elk knowledge, and helping people is not about money for me. I understand that some hunters legitimately are trying to make their livelihood from some element of hunting. You and others have my total respect.
This post is my opinion. On that forum I read about some new junk, that the man who advocating for it, has never taken on a hunt. I read people coming to his side that have never tried it either. These forums are a total waste, if the people reading what we have to say, cannot trust us to be honest and straight forward with them.
No one expects any one to be 100% correct in what we advise, for every application. I enjoy debating calling from a tree stand with Brad. I really enjoyed the debate thread John Fitzgerald started. I look forward to another. I may take a more extreme position in a debate forum than I would normally, but when all is said and done, I believe we all came to a consensus that is trustworthy.
Jeff, I would not accuse you of \"pimping\" your product. That is reserved for folks that make claims about products only for their own personal benefit and with little or no regard for those that trust them. \"Pimping is the lowest and most despicable form of marketing.
Anyone with any significant experience knows attaching a sail to the side of your bow is a terrible idea. With little or no wind, it will torque the bow. With any common wind it will be much worse. Now I read that the hunter keeps the sail closed while moving around in the brush. So we set the sail when we are up close and getting personal. huh? At least I won\'t argue with the maker about its usefulness, to wipe your rear. Though I always have an ample supply of much better material, I would use his sail for that before I would attach it to my bow.

 

[elkmtngear]

At least I won\'t argue with the maker about its usefulness, to wipe your rear. Though I always have an ample supply of much better material, I would use his sail for that before I would attach it to my bow.

It\'s a good thing I wasn\'t drinking coffee...I would have spit it all over the screen :haha:

Funny thing is...I didn\'t really get all the \"personal endorsement\" that the other dude got from the \"powers that be\" on that other forum. Not that it matters too much, I\'m lucky that I have customers that can, and do speak for the product.

I do appreciate your \"semi-endorsement\" Swede! It has taken a long time to break you down...you are a tough nut to crack :lol:

All kidding aside, I enjoy kicking the pine cone around with you...and someday soon I hope we can share a campfire.

 

[bnsafe]

i have thrown away more money on junk than i care to think about it. some of it was legit an just didnt work for me or my style or my area. some of it wouldnt work anywhere. we as hunters get so caught up in the next great thing to kill an animal that we forget the basics. we are the alpha in the timber, use your brain, stay with basics, an you will score eventually. again though, there are things that help. while i dont own a slip system i have a spot that i think it would be a charm. just use your head when you buy stuff. no product will help you kill the three legged 9x9 one eyed bull the day after the full moon if theres no snow on the ground but 31 degrees outside etc.

 

[Tdiesel]

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Anyone with any significant experience knows attaching a sail to the side of your bow is a terrible idea. With little or no wind, it will torque the bow. With any common wind it will be much worse. Now I read that the hunter keeps the sail closed while moving around in the brush. So we set the sail when we are up close and getting personal. huh?

exactly what I thought about it when the original head thingy came out especially on :shh: high country mule deer :think: always wind blowing there I have been known to take my quiver off to reduce wind deflection why would I add a kite on my bow.