or those that use a 20 degree mummy bag, do you find it adequate enough for the broad range of sept weather. I currently use a 0 degree bag that my wife has had before we met. I found that I need to sleep in my undies or I get too hot and wake up numerous times a night. and it got into the teens at night several mornings. it is a 6 ft bag and I am needing a 6\'6 bag to be comfortable. warmth wise its great. but if I can get away with a 20 degree bag and bag liner, I will go for that. as long as it works....
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elky McElkerson
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i\'m a bit of a wuss.
i think a 20 bag is my limit. if i could do it again, i would by a 10 or 15. mine is a Western mountaineering bag so it is no slouch. i typically sleep in my merino wool. i bought the 6.5 foot bag and in wide, so it could be that the bag is too big for me, and i am trying to warm too much airspace.
i wish i was rich enough to experiment. hahah.
i think a 20 bag is my limit. if i could do it again, i would by a 10 or 15. mine is a Western mountaineering bag so it is no slouch. i typically sleep in my merino wool. i bought the 6.5 foot bag and in wide, so it could be that the bag is too big for me, and i am trying to warm too much airspace.
i wish i was rich enough to experiment. hahah.
AaronJohnson
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15 degree big Agnes here. Agree with 20 being the limit.
20 degree Kelty Cosmic Down here. As others have mentioned, that\'s probably my limit and wouldn\'t go any higher than that. I used it every weekend of archery last year and didn\'t get too cold, but I did sleep in my merino a few nights too, i\'ll go warmer on my next bag.
I use a sleep system. Bag, pad, clothing to manage a range of temperatures using a 20 degree down bag. I hate bag liners, therefore, I do not use them. Plus, they only have one purpose. My clothing serves 2 purposes.
20 degree down bag with wearing midweight or lightweight merino wool works for me down to 25-30 degree depending on moisture (snow, hard frost).
I experienced an extremely cold night in 2012 for a Wilderness deer hunt at 11,000 ft when a winter storm was coming in for the 3rd weekend of September. I had a Exped SynMat UL7, hat and down sweater, but no down pants. In 2014, I tweaked my system because of that frigid night of not sleeping. I bought down pants and an Exped DownMat UL7 for September backpacking. Moisture from a cold front makes me colder.
Last season, I had a 0 degree synthetic bag at base camp for just in case. I never took it out to use and I never used my down clothing for sleeping.
Ever year is different. In 2013, snow came for the last weekend. Early September can be quite warm, however, it can snow any month in the CO mountains.
A 20 degree bag, would not work for me alone in teens or for a Winter cold front. With my new DownMat, I would need to add merino wool and optionally my down sweater and pants and hat to stay warm.
20 degree down bag with wearing midweight or lightweight merino wool works for me down to 25-30 degree depending on moisture (snow, hard frost).
I experienced an extremely cold night in 2012 for a Wilderness deer hunt at 11,000 ft when a winter storm was coming in for the 3rd weekend of September. I had a Exped SynMat UL7, hat and down sweater, but no down pants. In 2014, I tweaked my system because of that frigid night of not sleeping. I bought down pants and an Exped DownMat UL7 for September backpacking. Moisture from a cold front makes me colder.
Last season, I had a 0 degree synthetic bag at base camp for just in case. I never took it out to use and I never used my down clothing for sleeping.
Ever year is different. In 2013, snow came for the last weekend. Early September can be quite warm, however, it can snow any month in the CO mountains.
A 20 degree bag, would not work for me alone in teens or for a Winter cold front. With my new DownMat, I would need to add merino wool and optionally my down sweater and pants and hat to stay warm.
AaronJohnson
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Brad, any pics or details on the foam pad?
that\'s my dilemma. do I get the 20 degree bag and plan on wearing layers. but, hope that it doesn\'t get too cold and freeze me butt off if it gets too cold..... or go for the warm bag, which obviously weighs a bunch more.\"Atfrith\" said:
I didn\'t mind the sleeping bag liner, as it was cut more generous than the mummy bag.
I haven\'t tried a liner but i\'ve thought about it. I have heard that they add somewhere around 10 degrees of comfort level or so. I\'d say that if you\'ve had previous experience with one and didn\'t mind it then I don\'t see why that combo wouldn\'t work for the majority of nights we see in september. Of course there\'s always the chance for snow and those colder than average nights, but to me it\'s probably not worth the extra expense of switching out my sleeping bag at this point.
As mentioned above, I think having a good sleeping pad makes all the difference as well. Mine\'s a beast (size wise) as far as the products out now a days are concerned, but it does the job. My girlfriend, on the other hand, has a cheapo sleeping pad from walmart paired with the same sleeping bag as myself, and she freezes her butt off on our summer backpacking excursions.
As mentioned above, I think having a good sleeping pad makes all the difference as well. Mine\'s a beast (size wise) as far as the products out now a days are concerned, but it does the job. My girlfriend, on the other hand, has a cheapo sleeping pad from walmart paired with the same sleeping bag as myself, and she freezes her butt off on our summer backpacking excursions.
elky McElkerson
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dumb question alert!!!
is climbing in a liner in a sleeping bag some sort of challenge? that cannot be easy no? all that extra fabric getting caught up in the zipper and stuff. i\'ve never tried it, but i want to get a liner. silk?
and after i bought my BA super light pad, they came out with super light insulated pads..thanks industry..thanks. i\'ll probably upgrade my pad. sleeping cold is damn near impossible for me.
is climbing in a liner in a sleeping bag some sort of challenge? that cannot be easy no? all that extra fabric getting caught up in the zipper and stuff. i\'ve never tried it, but i want to get a liner. silk?
and after i bought my BA super light pad, they came out with super light insulated pads..thanks industry..thanks. i\'ll probably upgrade my pad. sleeping cold is damn near impossible for me.
The reasons I do not like bag liners:
Restricts my movement.
My legs get all twisted in them.
I can\'t vent in the middle of the night when I get warm.
On the plus side, a bag liner helps keep the bag clean from multiple days of not showering.
To keep my bag clean, I wear a light pair of merino wool top and bottoms.
I have a Cocoon silk liner and the Sea to Summit Reactor Thermolite liner. They do not weigh much. They are very nice liners. I bought the lower weight ones for backpacking.
Restricts my movement.
My legs get all twisted in them.
I can\'t vent in the middle of the night when I get warm.
On the plus side, a bag liner helps keep the bag clean from multiple days of not showering.
To keep my bag clean, I wear a light pair of merino wool top and bottoms.
I have a Cocoon silk liner and the Sea to Summit Reactor Thermolite liner. They do not weigh much. They are very nice liners. I bought the lower weight ones for backpacking.
elky McElkerson
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how do you maneuver it?
you get in the liner first then shimmy into the bag?
you get in the liner first then shimmy into the bag?
Try peeling off the liner like removing pants. Use both hands. Steps: sit up a bit to peel off the top portion, lay down and lift hips (modified reverse plank using shoulders and feet) to peel away from hips, sit up and peel away lower portion. Piece of cake, right?\"cnelk\" said:
roblem:I could never manage to get into both the bag and liner at the same time.\"elky McElkerson\" said:
Unzip the bag at least halfway. Bunch up the liner at least half way down the bag. The more the liner is rolled into the bag to pull up like pants, the better. Get into the bag halfway and put feet into liner. Hold onto bunched up liner, push your feet and legs into the liner and pull up the upper portion to clear your hips. Lastly, pull the liner to cover your torso.
Post video on here to demonstrate to others.
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I about had a panic attack last year with a liner in my bag! I am a notorious rotisserie sleeper and spin all night. My leg was so twisted up at one point my foot was numb. I couldn\'t get out! I squirmed and fought that damn liner for ten minutes, and had to pee! Once I finally freed myself from that death trap I took a step out of my tent and my leg collapsed from the dead-leg. There is a string of foul words hovering over that forest to this day. Thankfully it was a solo night and my son wasn\'t there to record me and post online. I donated the liners to the camping bucket for my wife and daughter. They hardly move in their sleep.\"mtnmutt\" said:
I am so sorry, but I laughed my head off reading this.\"Lark Bunting\" said:
My bag liner episodes were not as bad as your episode. However, my bag liner issues were compounded by the sit, twist/spin, crawl to get out of my BA FlyCreek UL2 tent. I ditched my liners after my first season backpacking. This year, I am ditching my tent requiring the sit, twist/spin, and crawl.
If I did yoga every day for 30 minutes perhaps that would solve all my issues. OR, I can replace my stuff with middle aged friendly gear.
