New To Elk Hunting

Hey man, I know I'm late to the party (been hunting too much until now ;D ) but have some advice for you, much of which I learned the hard way....


sounds like you have a great start on learning the hunting side of things. In terms of gear and the questions you asked:


tent and sleeping bag. hit up an REI type store or watch online. Cabelas has some decent lightweight tents coming out now too. $500 bag is a tough pill to swallow, so save some $$ and grab one for 2-300$ from REI. I personally have 3 different sleeping bags for different conditions. My most expensive is treated down with a -10 degree rating and it was $279 new. Watch for deals, their out there and you by no means need the coolest trendiest brands.I have some really expensive tents, but I've also spent plenty of time in $150 eureka's and stayed dry.... read reviews, look at weights and make a decision that best supports your needs. If you wanted just 1-do all tent that will last a long time pick up a sierra designs mountain guide tipi and have a stove jack fitted to it. $300 and there isn't a season you couldn't camp in that thing. It's a little heavier than some other tipis like seek-outside or kifaru but is much cheaper and built pretty stout.


Packs.... this could go on forever. But if you're on a super tight budget look at a kelty cache hauler (can be had for around $120 frame and bag). If you have a little money <300 horn hunter full curl system is nothing short of impressive for the cost. stepping up into the $500 range kuiu and MR make some great packs but price reflects that (sounds like so does EXO but I can't personally weigh in on how they are). Going higher yet Stone Glacier and Kifaru are top in their class but now you're looking at a small mortgage too. I will say I have packs at almost every price point, and the more $$ one's are more of a long term investment. If the price of a kuiu pack has you wary I'd be strongly considering HH's full curl though. Just my $.02


As stated if you're going to spend in any category make it boots first and rain gear 2nd. I also don't have the pricey 3000$ rangefinding swaro el's. Vortex has treated me pretty well over the last 7 years or so... If I had an extra 3K laying around I'd probably pick up some swaro's but since I don't a cheaper pair of vortex (I have the viper HD's) has done just fine.


Clothing is another topic that will generate a wide variety of opinions. Many elk have died to wranglers, flannel and carharts. What works for some may not work for others. I can tell you from my personal experience (almost all my hunts are extended backcountry, rarely do I truck camp and only once have done the hotel bit) I've gone full circle on sitka, kuiu and FL type clothing (have partial or complete "systems" from each) and I'm now trending back toward makers like patagonia, montbell and arcteryx. I also wear the heck out of wool when it's appropriate... If you don't "need" a catchy camo pattern with a hip name, some of the non-hunting outdoor apparel companies like those mentioned above and others are making equally as good, if not better clothing for the mountains without (in many cases) the steep price tag. Many of which can be found at online discount stores like sierra trading.


Like others on here, I cut my teeth hunting with a pocket full of shells, a sandwich and a buck knife. I also (long before I saw him, knew who he was or heard him say it) adopted Randy Newbergs mantra "hunt while you can... you'll run out of health before you run out of money". I started hunting elk and kept hunting elk even when I couldn't afford to. I have absolutely zero regrets and some amazing memories because of that. Now that I have a little more of an established career, as ironic as it sounds I almost miss those college/poverty times.... they were some of the more adventurous ;) . I have talked to hundreds of friends and family members in their 60's, 70's and 80's that have a lifetime of sept's and oct's, full of regrets because they were waiting until they could afford to go elk hunting. I fortunately realized early on in my teens I could either wait until I could afford it, or make it affordable... I made it affordable and haven't missed a fall chasing elk.
 
Wow backcountry hunter thanks for the write up. I will be looking into all the gear you mentioned.


The full curl pack looks really nice. It looks to be about 380 tho and by that time you could almost have a kuiu. But who knows which is better I would need to try on stuff and see in person.


I am on a budget but not a crazy one. I can afford a few things. I dont want to buy cheap stuff that I will just want to buy new next year. It would be great to spend about 1000 on gear. That may be a bit of a tight budget so I will probably go over. I just need to go over across a year and not a month.
 
amazon has the full curl system for $250 TYD....


I'd go try it on somewhere and if you like it, save yourself $100+ and get it off amazon. Based on the comments/reviews it's the new frame with adjustable torso and improved hip belt/shoulder straps.... which is the one you'll want. I've done 9 days off the full curl (I think it actually comes out north of 5000cu/in.... closer to 5300).... it's heavier than some other packs... but it's as sturdy as they get and plenty comfortable. When I'm really counting ounces however I'll go with my kuiu or something else. Ive said before I put the horn hunter (all USA made by the way) FC in the same category as my mystery ranch in terms of quality and comfort... just at about 1/2 the price.


Anything else just shout. I hope my post didn't come off as a know it all type-essay. I simply have learned ALOT of lessons the hard way in my hunting career and never hesitate to help someone else out so they don't make the same mistakes.
 
Thanks for the info. Its really nice to have somebody to take the time to tell you straight up what works and what does not and whats worth the money and whats not.


On the full curl pack I saw it comes with the detachable big bag but it looks like you cant haul meat and the big bag at the same time is this true?


Also when it comes to clothes I dont mind having different brands and even non camo things but I do know hunting is different than hiking. You spend most of your time off the trail. Im sure some hiking stuff will stand up to hunting needs but im guessing not all of hiking gear will. Thats whats nice about hunting gear is it is made specifically for hunting.


Thanks again for the info
 
lcgordon711 said:
On the full curl pack I saw it comes with the detachable big bag but it looks like you cant haul meat and the big bag at the same time is this true?


depends..... Personally I'm an "in the bag" kind of person, and even when I have a load shelf, if I have a bag 9/10 times I put the meat in the bag.  As long as it's in game bags it doesn't make much mess. As far as a load shelf goes on this particular pack with the larger bag I suppose you're correct. That said there's probably a way to snug it down so that you could carry meat between the bag and frame, I've never done it but could probably be finagled. just note the top of the bag attaches to the frame by slipping over it so that's pretty much a fixed point. You can also buy an additional "meat bag" that HH sells for $25 that attaches directly to the frame for this purpose. I haven't used it (wasn't available to my knowledge when I got into this pack) which might be an option also. When I have hauled with the HH I've either put meat in the brown bag (boned out), or I put meat on the frame and only used the smaller bag (left bone in and left the brown bag at camp).


As far as the clothes and abuse they can take go, I personally haven't seen much difference in hunting vs. non hunting but others may have contradictory experiences. I've shredded a pair of sitka ascent pants in 3 days on one hunt, and have a pair of Kuhl hiking pants that have been going on hunts since 2012 and are still going strong. It's not to say one is more durable than the other, I just abused one pair more than the other and it showed. It's more dependent on the vegetation then the brand but I've not seen a pant yet that will stand up for years to some of the briars that are out there. Some of the country I've been in up in NW MT (Bob Marshall) only filson tin cloth could have came out of unscathed. Other areas in the SW part of the country your pants could be made out of kleenex and last a while.
 
Welcome to elk hunting!  It is very addicting, so get ready for that.  I am on year 3 of elk hunting colorado and am yet to have any success.  rifle hunted the 1st 2 years and bow and rifle hunted this 2016 season.  My only really good encounter was opening day of bow season back in August where I had 2 screaming bulls on either side of me, didnt work out but i was so jacked up from the experience it was awesome and im hooked for life. 


I see you have asked if you should hunt rifle or bow, and i say why not both?  Just make sure you have your class A tag and your class B tag.  (cant have 2 class A tags) 


I will say being in my late 20's and getting started I was kind of feeling the same way you are, i needed to get gear but didnt want to break the bank.  and i didnt have too, i am lucky enough to have gotten a few things for super cheap or free but they have worked out fine.  Id say spend what you are comfortable spending, look for deals where you can, and if you have to save a buck on something then look at it like this, your saving some money now, but you will have time to save up for a couple years then you can get something of top quality. 


Also I may be looking for a hunting partner for next bow season, shoot me an email


bspies912@gmail.com
 
No way I could use all of my vacation on hunting. Just archery would probably be enough. Unless I could squeeze away for an easy 1 day hunt from the truck or something.


Backcountry hunter I sent you a pm


speezer I sent you an email
 
lc, you'll find that everyone has an opinion about gear. Not to say that anyone is wrong, they like what works for them. That's not to say it will work for you. I use Sitka and Cabela's clothing for archery season and UA for later seasons. I have 5 different packs and my go to is a Eberlestock X2. I could go on but I think you get the point. Spend some time in different stores checking out the gear and how it fits you. Remember, most of the hunting gear companies are in business because their products work. You get what you pay for.
 
Forsure I want to try the packs on and see the features in person. Ive got alot of stores here in denver. Plus my GF is from 45min away from the kuiu store in california so when we go there for Christmas she said we could go check it out. I want to try on some clothes and check out some packs.


I will do the picking myself but its nice to hear from people what they like so when you test the pack you know it is good as long as it fits right.
 
Got a couple updates on some gear. I bought 2 pairs of salomon boots the 4d gtx and the quest origins. I think they are the same boots different color. The seller on CL would not split up so 75 for both pairs lightly used. I also bought a lightly used Big Angus fly creek UL 2 with foot print. Got if for 180 off cl. And I also am about to buy the kuiu 7200 while they are on 20% sale. Its amazing the deals you can get off cl for lightly used things.


I have also made it through the whole online class. I need to go through it 2-3 more times taking notes. It was a lot of info.
 
sent you a pm.... good buy on the tent.


just my thoughts on the pack, take them for what they're worth....


7200 is a ton of pack and I personally don't need any more than the 5200. Unless you're looking to go 2 weeks plus there isn't anything a 6000cu/in pack or less can't do.
 
Hey guys back with another question.


After finishing the elk 101 course one thing I noticed he did not cover that I had questions about. I emailed him and I got nothing back.


I would like to know what you do when you kill an elk and pack it back and you are at your truck? Now what? Im guessing you pack it in coolers? But do you used Ice, dry ice or a combo of both. Is there some kind of Meat cooler in some town that you can take the meat to to keep it cool. How often do you need to re ice.


Thanks again guys.
 
short answer is all of the above.


If it's deboned (usually is) a couple large coolers will do and standard gas station ice. I make it a point to buy ice every time I fill up. If you leave bone in I put ice down on a tarp, meat on top, ice on top of meat and close up with the tarp. mostly because I don't own coolers large enough for a bone in quarter let alone 4. You'll see people with chest freezers ratcheted in the back of their truck... I would pressume this works but never done it. Dry ice is better if you can find it but that's not always easy....


When hunting with buddies we have taken an elk into town to store at a locker (for a nominal fee of course) while the other tag is being filled.
 
Thank for the quick response. I was wondering if your on an 8-9 day hunt and you kill one on the 1-2 day what do you do. Do you keep having to hike back to your truck to go buy more Ice every couple days. I feel like for multi days it would be better to take the meat in somewhere pay the money and get back to hunting.
 
It's situational so it's going to be different, depending on your circumstances but briefly at face value:


assuming you're not done hunting and either you or someone else has tags left I'd talk to a locker in town to either store it for $20 a day or have them process it. If you're hunting solo with only 1 tag your simply done, get it out and drive home.... if your buddies or you still have unfilled tags get it out, on ice at a minimum.... if it's sept or parts of October and you still might hunt for 7 days I'd keep it in town if you can find someone to keep it. If it's november or even later in october you can let it hang deboned for 5 days and be okay. All depends on temp, how far you are from the truck, etc... If it's septemeber and you only have 1 mile hike out maybe you want to keep heading to town to get ice while your buddy hunts. I've done this once and was getting about 2 days out of the ice before having to head to town re-ice. It's a little unnerving though having the trophy and coolers back at the truck while you're a couple miles away..... I certainly wouldn't be using $400 yeti's if you're going to be leaving them at the TH. Even if it's locked....

to many variables to say one answer suits all though.
 
Thanks 20 bucks a day is not too bad of a price. It would be worth it to get the meat out and be sure you dont mess it up or get it stolen.


I would see where it would be nice to have a camper top or a suv so people cant see what you have.
 
The cost is going to vary but often it isn't terrible. Meat lockers get more apprehensive to do that during rifle season however as their coolers fill up quicker.


Just be smart also. Often, if you don't have any sausage, jerky or smoking done, a locker can process an elk down to burger, steaks and roasts for a couple hundred ball park. If you're going to spend 125$ to store it or $250 to have it all cut up, ground, packaged, etc... it might be smarter to have it cut. Usually during archery season they can break down an elk in short order and then you keep them happy for future use too. I've done both but some of these little mountain towns that don't have a lot going other than hunting, i don't mind spending a little extra at local businesses. Usually your doing business with some really great people too....
 
Thank for the info. It will be good to keep in mind depending on situation. With deer we always took them in to have them cut up. But I kind of wanted to do it all myself. But It will be deepening on situation. If it is the last couple days it probably wont be needed.


Thanks again
 
A little update and a chance to vent a bit. I measured my torso for my pack. It told me 20 inches. I was not quite sure if I did it right. I went by the kuiu directions though. Kuiu says that would put me in a tall frame. Regular is up to 17in and Tall is above that. So by my measurement I am a good bit above. Kuiu was doing a 20% off on the 5200 so I bought it. I had them hold in store because I was going the next week and theysaid they could measure me and fit me instore and swap frames if needed. So I ordered the tall frame.


Fast forward I am in the store and I tell them who I am so they grab my pack. They throw 25lbs in it and let me put it on. I adjust all the straps and it felt ok. They told me it looked a little tall and told me to try on the regular frame. So I did that with 25lbs. It felt about the same and they said the pack looked better on me. So I said ok ill take that one.


I get home watch the kuiu pack fit video that I just found. I realize that the load lifters are at 90 degrees and the top of the frame is about even with my shoulders. They say in the video this is bad. They show you you want about a 45 degree angle with the straps or so. Also in the video the top of the frame is about 3 in above the shoulders.


So I will be calling them when they open tuesday and getting a return. They better pay shipping because I ordered the right thing and the girls in the store talked me out of it. I trusted them.


On a related side note the in store help was horrible. I thought it wold be like an REI when I go in. They would come up and ask do you have any questions, what trip are you going on, I recommend this type of gear for that, check out what we have here, etc... They never even asked if I had any questions and never offered to help me find different sizes. BTW they had almost no 34 in anything. I will say the online customer service was great but maybe they could get some people who know what they are talking about or if the girls did know what they were talking about maybe get some people willing to share their knowledge and try to sell me something. I would have bought some crap if they even tried to sell me something.


Any tips on the pack. Do I sound right with this?
 

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